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This feels a little like the setup for a modern fantasy AU of Terry Pratchett's Mort.

Something like the SCP foundation seems right.

The corrupted Grails in those cases were due to those who wished on them, not the actual Grails themselves. Orleans was corrupted because of Gilles making the wish, while Fuyuki was corrupted by Saber Alter.

Where Fujimura initiates a war for the "Tiger Grail."

It's a fighting game, and you can play as Saber wearing a lion costume in the expansion. Yes, this is real. No, I'm not making it up. Yes, it's a parody featuring chibi versions of the characters.

No, it wasn't localized. :-(

I bet they do.

The Grail War is over. Let the Ice Cream War begin.

hS

If I win, I am now wishing for a mint chocolate chip ice cream cone and I'm not sharing. {= P

~Neshomeh

Would y'all please stop overthinking this? {= P

~Neshomeh

The system for the snowfield grail war is that the "false" holy grail war acts as a primer for the "true" holy grail war. The fake war is actually necessary for the ritual. So it does summon the grail, just not in the way the Fuyuki system does it. At least in theory.

Another point, I'm not sure the grail war would even work in HQ, or at least, work as seen in the Nasuverse. Grail wars require certain conditions in the world to be met. For example, the timelines/worlds in which Tsukihime takes place will never have a grail war because the very nature of those timelines/worlds contains a "denial of human history" aspect which makes it impossible to summon heroic spirits, even if they still exist. I'm not sure if the conditions and parameters of HQ would allow for the ritual to even activate. At the very least I'm pretty sure we would need to create our own version of the grail or make adjustments since I'm positive the Nasuverse one wouldn't activate at all, especially with how planets work in universe. Although, there might be some angle that I'm not thinking of.

Which I don't think even summons a Grail properly... F/SF is super weird. It's basically Mages in America seperate from the Association copying the Ritual/War from data collected during the 3rd HGW... But they didn't copy it 100% right, so they can summon bizarro servants.

And the first time it's a fake war and then it's a real war that DOES summon a girl... I dunno. Haven't read it, and it's by the guy who wrote Baccano! and Durarara. Convolution is a specialty.

Badfic!Grail. Some delightful little Suvian throws out all known timelines and makes up something that has no business in the Fate continuum. The agents on the mission wind up with the Grail's vessel on their hands, and make the brilliant decision to bring it back to HQ. This proto-Grail looks around, goes WTF?, shrugs, and starts handing out command seals to kick off a war, because that's what it does. The rules are heavily influenced by the laws of HQ, so Rule of Funny is in full force. It's gonna be no-class-limits Battle Royale–style. Cue shenanigans and screwball comedy as we all try to get through this without dying or being overly nasty to the canon characters, who clearly can't die but definitely need to go back where they belong. ^_^

I'm assuming fictionalized agent versions of ourselves as Masters so we don't have to chuck out the entire discussion so far and start over, but if you want to imagine who your agents would try to summon, why not? {= )

~Neshomeh

You were right, it wasn’t as hard as I thought.

By the way, should I make character pages for my agents now or wait until I’ve done my first mission?

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The event of creating the Apocrypha timeline is pretty much an alternate version of the event who started the whole problem, with the Einzberns summoning Shiro Amakusa as a pseudo-Ruler instead of Avenger Angra Manhyu, and henceforth stopped it from happening.

This comes from mirror-universe Warhammer 40,000, a project currently occupying most of my writing effort:

Abaddon looked upon the entrance to the Necron tomb with the eyes of a lifelong warrior. Some might have been overwhelmed by its sheer size, or awed by the brutal majesty of the windblown ruin. He saw it as just another fortified position, just one more obstacle between him and glory.

... I think you're reversing cause and effect in Orleans.

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To be fair to everybody who got thrown around by Vlad, his weakness in that case was specifically holy weapons, and I can think of three Rulers off of the top of my head, and all easily qualify as having them.

As for Jack's Reality Marble - Jeanne is basically immune to curses, and I'm pretty sure both Traumere and Maria qualify to some extent, and the other Servant in that Reality Marble was Atalante. I don't think you could intentionally build something better at shattering the poor woman.

Apocrypha's Grail was fine, right?

But my brother had some interesting ideas, chief among them Agatha Heterodyne and Bugs Bunny. No idea what class either of them would be, though.

The only thing really strong enough to hurt a servant is another servant. Not even the strongest of masters can really face a servant (I think there might be a few that did very briefly) and I'm not sure the summons would be strong enough to do damage.

But Rulers are a whole different animal. Spoilers for Fate/Apocrypha follow.


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One of the servants in Apocrypha was Lancer of Black, True Name Vlad III. In the Fate universe a servant's strength is based on the location the grail war is taking place and the strength of their legend. Apocrypha took place in Romania. While the fight occurred in Romania he was arguably the strongest servant. He got taken out of Romania and was forced to use his second noble phantasm. Legend of Dracula. Which turned him into the strongest Vampire in existence. He was basically able to rag doll the servants present including Karna, Achilles, and Atalanta shrugging of all attacks. He meets one Ruler and retreats encounters the second Ruler and is curb-stomped in about five seconds.

Likewise Assassin of Black, True Name Jack the Ripper. None of the other Servants were fairing well against Jack especially once it went into her Reality Marble. Ruler defeats Jack easily breaks the Reality Marble and then is able to completely shrug of Atalanta's Attack and takes no noticeable damage when she later faces Atalanta's Noble Phantasm.

I think there would be three possibilities.

1. Apocrypha. Basically the PPC's masters would coalesce to one team and the grail would then choose another 7 masters and it would be team based until the end.

2. Grand Orders. The only rule is survival, Rulers can be summoned by masters, etc. This is an all out Grail interceding to prevent complete and utter destruction of the world/universe

3. Extra/Extella. Hundreds of Masters all competing for the Grail eventually a stalemate will occur or one will be left standing.

Have either some form of corruption or are at least Monkey's Paw like wishes.

Almost all Fate properties are in some variant alternate universe. But also keep in mind the grails in FGO are very different. For starters there are a ton. Some are more corrupt than others and require cleansing others are fine as is.

For example Fuyuki was extremely corrupted, which is why there was only one non-corrupted servant (aside from Mash and any the PC brings) in that entire singularity. Orleans was also particularly corrupted (hence Jalter's Existence), but Okeanos was not corrupted.

But if that's the case, firstly, I don't know how old Chaldea is, and secondly, I'm almost certain GO is set in an AU. Which means that it's irrelevant: The Grail may never have been corrupted in that universe.

In the prime Fate timeline, however, The Grail is absolutely corrupt. Even if Kiritsugu hadn't won, and the wish had been more achievable by peaceful means, the Fuyuki Grail can only destroy.

I think Illya might be as good as a solution. With Herakles at her side at any moment she's not bonding with the other members of her family

But I remember that Grand Order's big organization, Chaldea, was created thanks to funds and means its founder secured thanks to a wish to the Grail he managed to not duck up.

Unless you count what happened after him and his Servant got their wish without immediate monkey paw effect...