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couldn't someone decide to add Lady Contrivance and the IO having a baby in a different, non-PPC badfic altogether? You know, their own Super Speshul OCs Do Nut Steel!!111!!! It could even be a PJO trollfic in that sense, and then you can have your Troll Division agents fish her out that way.

...where the Aviator and the Librarian killed a fic that shipped them with each other. I can’t seem to find the link, though.

—Ls

I've thought about it, taking in everything in this thread, and I have to go with my instinct. In light of the information that you've been trying to get through the process in a hurry to meet a self-imposed deadline, it just strikes me as poor decision-making from the off. Your first Permission request was posted in March, so this request makes four in as many months. I get that it sucks to be told no that often, but it also sucks to be nagged. You could have chosen patience instead, and we would probably be having a much happier conversation right now.

When you get back, please just chill. Leave off missions, leave off Permission. You don't need to produce stories in order to be here; you can just be here. Given that the PPC does have a relatively steep learning curve, some folks (myself included) have waited years before even trying to write a mission. With that perspective in mind, I suggest you give it at least another six months, being sure to interact and read other people's works as much as you can to really soak in the nuances.

Heck, if it's a need to contribute driving you, I can relate. The first thing I ever wrote for the PPC was the Useful Technology list, because we didn't have that back in 2004. Maybe you could make a project of improving some of those wiki pages that don't really cover the little details. Something like that would be very welcome!

~Neshomeh

That makes sense. And if it’s not a Fanfic World badfic, then it’s justified.

I think this could make a good backstory. Again, thanks, hS.

—Ls

Here's the relevant line, since I did ask on here about Creativity Shields before I wrote the StWWX mission, and we all sorta thought at the time that the way it worked was via authorial fiat/determination to quarantine something from something else.

“This is the first time we have tried these in the field,” [Dr Graves] said, “so there may need to be last-minute tweaks. But essentially, each of these stakes contains a node that will connect to form the perimeter of the creativity shield. Once the perimeter is complete, we will connect it to cables leading back to DoDAEG. That should jumpstart the shield, using the same authorial fiat reserves that power the shield around HQ. The time it takes to reach the self-powering mode that we see in the shield around HQ will depend on how large this Word World is, but it should take no longer than an hour.”

I'm, of course, open to tweaks, since the Creativity Shield doesn't actually get implemented because the fic gets deleted. That being said, of the three scenarios you have, option two seems to be the path I took. This was partly because Doctorlit already had mini Creativity Shields in play in the Nursery to prevent kid scribblings from affecting HQ, and, yes, my idea of the Sandboxes at Digory Kirke and Paul Atreides being used to show students the effects of fic on a Word World. In my head, the mini Creativity Shields in play should probably be powered by the big one around HQ that stops FfL stuff from getting in, while the big one around HQ taps into DoDAEG + the authorial fiat [of us Boarders, essentially, to not have PPC badfic affect HQ].

therefore getting rid of her would be just like how one would get rid of a Goddess Sue. Idk what that would be exactly, but something to do with any sort of plotholes in her powers, or some sort of ironic flaw in other gods in that world, would be a good place to start.

Well, two:

1. Do we know that badfic posted to FfV actually manifests at all? Or, under Option Two, might the Creativity Shield stop that from happening just like author shields do? I sorta like the idea that the effect of a Creativity Shield is to make words on a page/screen remain merely that.

2. Assuming it does (since we generally have been), and assuming you could break through it to get into a PPC badfic... are we sure you could get out again? Or does the Creativity Shield prevent anything from a PPC badfic from entering HQ? This is actually the main thing I wondered about Mina's origin. ^_^; 'Cause, like, if Prime Multiverse characters can cross the barrier both ways at will, that's a strange sort of barrier.

That said, I feel like there might be instances of agents interacting with FfV badfics (as opposed to commenting on them like J&A), but I can't remember anything specific right now. Can you?

I suppose it's also possible that the Creativity Shield isn't perfect, and things can very rarely slip through if the stars misalign...?

(And it's also possible that thinking about it this hard at all is what's making it Serious Business. ^_^; )

~Neshomeh

(Edit: wrong option number.)

Horribly. K doesn't like rowing, David Null would probably be the only one rowing, Paye and Matt would flirt with one another, Kitty would be too scared to row, Natalie Green didn't even show up on that day for whatever reason, Crow would be fasinated by the water, and O'Ryan would try to get Crow/Paye/Matt/K to row with little success.

Would they come in last place? Maybe. Would the boat ride be a chaotic type of funny. Most likely!

If Matt somehow didn't show up, Paye would be rowing as well. If Paye didn't show up while Matt did, Matt would be rowing as well.

This is why my agents shouldn't all come together to do anything outside of missions lol.

-kA

Well, that must've been quite a surreal dream-memory for her, then, haha

Eledhwen, Christianne, and Liu Siyuan in a boat together might actually be quite competitive? I could see them being a respectable contender. Not the winner, though. I feel like Derik and Gall would win, for some reason.

... because it's a PPC badfic. They place their characters in HQ unless specifically prevented. That's what happened back in 2004, and is why the Creativity Shield was created in the first place.

hS

And not as if the orchestra was the entire PPC. Come to think of it, my characters never even reached the orchestra. So, yeah, I didn’t think it was an AU.

—Ls

Rule of Funny is the only solid rule there is. It’s stronger than gravity in a PPC setting! (Though, gravity is actually not as strong as electromagnetism, but I digress.)

However, I would assume the Dummy would have the same powers as a regular Sue. I mean, if not, all first-person Sues would be really easy to defeat. I don’t see why the Crash Dummy would make her weaker.

—Ls

Her appearance was just an afterthought in the fic—she is never described, and the fic is about Lady Contrivance and the IO. She isn’t the main Suvian. But if it makes sense for her to come from a non-Fanfic Land/World/Verse fic, then that’s what I’ll go with. As for dumping her in HQ, not quite sure how that’d work, but it would make sense. And it would be pretty funny to write an interlude/backstory where a bunch of agents are chasing a baby, trying to put a Sue Tracker on it. Maybe I’ll go the Percy Jackson route. We’ll see. But until I iron out all the kinks, I’ll just say that Mina knows she’s adopted, and not much else.

Thanks for the advice, hS.

—Ls

So I've had a trawl through the Wiki to find an answer on this one and nothing has popped out to me (yet), so hoping someone might be able to offer a hand.

I'm in the process of writing a mission (shock, gasp etc.) and it's a first person fic, hence the use of a Crash Dummy. The problem is the 'Sue also happens to be an uncanonical Goddess in the fandom (RWBY), so could you just assassinate the Crash Dummy relatively normally, thus getting rid of the 'Sue without too much of a problem, or does the Sue's Godhood embue the Crasy Dummy with a similar power level meaning it would need more "oomph" to take it down? Or does it rely solely upon the Rule of Funny (or something similar that I might have missed)?

Nova

THE FACTS:

• Authors who ban fanfiction place Creativity Shields around their works.
• The PPC placed a Creativity Shield around Fanfic Land to prevent PPC badfic from impacting HQ.
• There is a Sandbox in HQ/New Cal with a Creativity Shield around it, allowing fanfic to manifest inside it but not outside.

OPTIONS ONE: All these Creativity Shields function identically.

• A fanfic of a banned canon will manifest in its own bubble, unable to affect the canon proper.
• All PPC badfic manifests in Fanfic Land together.
• Sandbox badfic manifests in the Sandbox.

The big downside here is that it means we are claiming fanfic of banned canons still exists as a space you can enter. The whole point of banning fanfic is that it shouldn't "exist" in this sense

OPTION TWO: A PPC 'Creativity Shield' is an attempt to replicate a proper author-derived one.

• A fanfic of a banned canon has no manifestation. It is blocked by author fiat.
• All PPC badfic manifests in Fanfic Land together, in a giant, terrifying bubble universe.
• Sandbox badfic manifests in the Sandbox.

This is the option you were working with. There's nothing wrong with it: it means the only instances of canon characters in PPC badfic are puppets created solely for the badfic.

Spark Theory, and the existence of the Sueniverse, relies on:

OPTION THREE: All three Creativity Shields are different.

• Author fiat blocks fics from manifesting at all.
• The FfL Creativity Shield, powered by the Glitter PPC Suvians are filled with, causes them all to manifest in a parallel Multiverse where they are the only PPC.
• The Sandbox Shield functions differently, possibly by having writers in the Sandbox specifically designate their fanfic as Sandbox-only - clearly derived from the author fiat version.

This is morally icky, because it means the Flowers are shoving all their problems into another Multiverse for the canons there to deal with. It may be that they don't know this is happening - that they think they made an Option 1 or 2 Shield, not the multiverse-bending kind. Or, as with all Multiverse Theories, it may be wrong (which would mean the Sueniverse is actually a pocket universe in the Prime Multiverse).

Either 1 or 2 would allow a character like you want to "break through" without causing moral issues. It's hard to see why she would be allowed to live, though? She's the daughter of the Ironic Overpower - - that should not be allowed to just wander in and sign up.

But...

There is a Creativity Shield around Fanfic Land/World/Verse. But however that works, it presumably does nothing about PPC badfic on other sites. In the old days, they were dealt with by the DIO, but now have to be treated as incursions by the DES. If she wasn't caught, she could literally just manifest in HQ for her story.

So what if her story was really short? Like, it established her identity but never gave her anything to do. Then she would be kind of left adrift in HQ, with a Suvian backstory but not having done anything. Being a small child, she would be picked up quickly and taken to Nursery, where they would have treated her as any other ex-Suvian child. She, the Nursery staff, and her adoptive parents, wouldn't even necessarily know who she was and how she got there.

This also leaves open the option of another character from her story showing up down the line, or even her author writing a new one which drags her into it. I dunno, it's an option.

Or, like Lily and Nesh said, push her off onto a different version of Lady Luck. But the key point is that Spark Theory, and the Sueniverse itself, are only a theory.

hS

It might just be strikethrough, since I think bold and italics are fine?

I added the Markdown just to show what I was trying to do. The <s> </s> tags are still there, but you can't tell because they aren't working. ^_^;

~Neshomeh

What's worse is I've read Derik and Gall missions amd I still didn't know lol.

-kA

Hypothetically a Contrivance/IO Sue-baby could escape from the Sueniverse, but since Sueniverse is implied to be created by the Flowers when the Creativity Shield banished PPC Suvians from affecting the Prime Multiverse, Mina’s existence in that sense would raise a lot of ethical questions (quoth hS, it would appear that the PPC is dumping its problems on other multiverses). It could be an interesting thing to explore in Mina’s arc, but it would require a very sensitive touch since it exposes a very big ethical flaw in the Flowers’/PPC’s actions.

Of course, Mina could just not talk about her backstory — or, even, not know her backstory because her parents hid it from her. It’s good for authors to know more about a character than what is on screen!

That being said, it’s a very Serious Business backstory, and the PPC should be fun with medium-sized stakes at best, so I would also prefer Mina to have been a badfic rescue baby. PJO mission would be perfect!

I thought the original concept was “what if the PPC was an orchestra”, but if it’s “what if your agents joined an orchestra in the Prime” then yeah, probably semi-AU unless we’re about to get someone canonically in a PPC orchestra. Where do they even get the time?

IIRC the DMS agents are Derik and Gall.

Also ETA that HTML works in subject lines! Just not markdown.

I’d say that if Carlisle and Mina were to be put in a boat race together, Mina would probably lose interest halfway through, and Carlisle would yell at her for it.

I’ll try to write it in a bit, I’m in a bit of a rush.

—Ls

Added a couple sentences at the end to address the bad luck charm bit. (Side note: I really like that term.)

I fixed the errors you pointed out. Harry Potter is italicized, Departments are the’ed, typo with “if” is fixed, the em-dash quote errors (which are automatic on my device) are fixed, and the paragraphing is improved.

—Ls