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In my mind the reason the vampire kept insisting he doesn't sparkle is *because* he doesn't want to be seen as a sparklepire.

I've never read any of the Twilight books nor seen any of the movies, and from what I've heard I don't want to.

Both for the help and the congratulations. ^.^

That was sort of what I was thinking, but I wanted to make sure.

At first glance, I admit I was a little concerned with how this new series was described. "Hot-headed and independent" are hardly original descriptions for a main female character. *gestures towards his own PPC character list*

After some thought, however, I'm convinced that the new Avatar series should be something to be gleefully anticipated. My reasons are thus:

-- New characters. The story of the Gaang has pretty much been told. While it might be a little interesting to see how their lives progressed, an entirely new cast of characters allows for new situations or stories to be told.

-- Korra, the new Avatar. Her personality, while hardly original (if the press release is to be believed 100%), serves a marked contrast to Aang's typical cheerful mood. Plus, now we have a contemporary Avatar, rather than one that is disconnected by the present by 100 years. If the picture is anything to go by, Korra is older than Aang was during the first show. I'd quite like to see a more mature Avatar (not for that reason! Get your minds out of the gutter!).

-- The suggested storylines about city crime and anti-bending attitudes fit in with the general maturity set by the first series. I want to see how said topics are handled.

-- She already knows three of the four types of bending. Good! That means we don't have to watch more gorram training montages with fire, earth, and water. The first series had plenty of those, thank you!

-- Michael DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko (the original creators of the first series) are heading up this project. Rather them than some fan trying to redo all of the classic bits. They know what's been done, so hopefully they'll try to explore new territory and create new conflicts.

-- Steam punk is kinda cool.

I'll be looking forward to its release.

The idea behind posting agent bios is that you have some idea what you are going to write, and that we have some idea that you know what makes a character not a Sue.

We don't need to know every single detail about your agents. At least not through a bio. Like with real people, characters' perspective on life can change due to the things that happen to them. There is no need to post a new bio if there is a change in a character's circumstances, like your knife thowing agent decides to become a gun slinger because they kept poking themselves in the leg.

That is interesting information for a mission/interlude of course, and should most definitely go into the agent's bio on the wiki. On the board there is not much use for it once you have gotten permission.

Congrats on that, by the way.

I recently got Permission. Unfortunately, it happened while I was away, and the thread has since been buried (though it's still on the first page).

The PGs brought up some good points, though, especially including some Suvian tendencies in my Agents. Both of them wound up more speshul than I would have liked, and I'd like to do some polishing.

Since this site seems to lack an editing function, and since I already have Permission I don't really want to repost, where should I do this editing? On the Wiki, or what?

I agree that betas are very important, doubly so when you are mocking bad writing in others--if only to avoid being mocked yourself. This writer seems open to concrit, and there are a lot of people here that are very, very good with spelling and grammar, maybe someone could offer assistance?

(Not me, my natural grammar abilities amount to different but equally bad mistakes--which is why I love everyone here that is willing and able to beta.)

I still think this story is similar enough to the PPC to remind people of the PPC, but it also has potential. I didn't mean to make it sound like I thought it didn't. Some of the snark in it seemed top-notch.

Since the entire cast of Twilight is composed of Suvians and/or bits, this therefore applies to everyone in the Twiverse as well, including off-screen characters. Ergo, since the sparklevamps must have drunk human blood at some point, they must have consumed enough Glitter to sparkle!

...Come to that, it wouldn't half surprise me if even the animals in the Twiverse have some amount of Glitter in their bloodstream. Maybe the Twiverse is just a factory for the more mundane CAFs ("Mundane" in this case meaning something like a normal wolf, not a magical talking spirit wolf with wings).

Just as a note, has anyone else associated the term "bits" (bit characters) with "Kibbles 'n' Bits"?

Agreed! I don't know that many Star Trej fans in person, but TNG seems to dominate everyone's likes. Not that TNG is bad; quite the reverse. But I will always have a soft spot for Enterprise because it's the only one I watched as it came out. Except I missed season two. Granted, Archer can be annoying sometimes, but otherwise, what's not to love?

I like what I've seen of Voyager, too, but that's not a lot. And I like the characters of DS9, but not so much the plot.

Fair winds! And watch out for my Agents during races.

Fair winds!

Glittering vampires? Am I the only one who associated this with Twilight?
Maybe that's why Edward sparkles in the sunlight!

Personally, I have no problem with the fic.

>> My impression therefore is that this author read something from the PPC, loved it, but didn't like either our community restrictions or Permission-getting process and decided to strike out on their own.

This actually scared me off for while, and if you didn't have what I see as an excellent set up for this style of 'fic, I'd have struck out on my own too.

If you'll excuse the *chan-speak.

a vampire drains the blood from a Mary Sue?

I had an image of a vampire insisting that he doesn't sparkle, he glitters as a side effect of drinking the blood of sues.

Between going "Oh, yeah, they have some technical errors" and then going and pointing them out unnecessarily. It's not going to be seen here, all it is is useless self congratulatory compliments, "oh, yes, I can spell better than them and I know what to do with apostrophes, to boot". The best way to help people improve is to tell them what mistakes they made and why it is a mistake, not going and saying it's why they are immediately inferior (without stating it outright, of course).

We're all writers here, and not everyone's work comes out perfect, which is why I mentioned PPC TOS; Jay and Acacia still had technical errors on stories written between them. There was no beta for PPC TOS, but there seem to be a few people here heavily ragging on that fact for this anti-Mary Sue society. Betaing, while a good thing, and something that vastly improves the quality of the story when it is paid attention to, is not mandatory, and even then it can miss things.

There's also the fact of not being aware that there are grammatical errors and whatnot, or not catching them on a readthrough. I had issues with its/it's for ages until it finally clicked.

My problem with most of the people replying to this thread is they are being overcritical for little reason other than it seems to be hurting their feelings or perceived investment in the PPC, which is ridiculous since a few of the most vehement comments in here are from people who haven't written anything PPC related for some time, or don't even have permission yet.

Additionally, accusing people of stealing- of plagiarism- is a serious issue, and not something that should be thrown about lightly.

Because honestly, who the hell is going to mistake PPC for SSU, or vice versa? Those letters are nowhere near each other on the keyboard.

I don't even recall who it was now, but I do know they got quite annoyed over it, because I remember being quite surprised that they got so snappy over it. But never mind; issue over with, moving on. :)

on the part where it is very much possible to come up with the same idea indepentely. First person that said (paraphrasing here): she's using a neuralyzer; she should credit us. Made me wonder whether that person actually knew where neuralyzers were coming from.

Don't agree with you that we can't comment on technical errors in the fic/quotes. Because a) there is never an excuse not to use a beta-reader, and b) this particular fic (the one Areaph provided the link to) was written by two people.

(Kind of annoyed that I seem to get lumped in with "all of you" when I have not made any comments on the similarities between PPC and SSU, mainly because I dind't think it was something worth of getting upset or protective about.)

My favorite so far is White Night, however. I haven't read the two latest, though.

Also,I can only express my condolences regarding the Anita Blake series. My only advice is to get out while you still can. Depending on where you are in the series, you've only got a few books left until it just turns into supernatural porn.

You guys are being too harsh. There's only so many ways you can do the basic "We fight and kill Mary Sues, etc" dealie.

In other words, there's no need to reinvent the wheel, or get on other people's cases for 'similar' ideas. There are dozens and dozens of badfic fighting societies out there and only so many possible variations, of course there's going to be similarities, especially if she did read PPC stuff. There are only so many ways you can kill a Sue, so many way you can make canon characters forget (pills similar to Torchwood's retcon, MiB neuralyzers, a careful bit of brain trauma, or just kill that fic's version), only so many ways you can watch the action, and so forth.

There's this 'Lemon Fighters' fic out there that has agents, crappy budgeting, departments, and sarcasm and adversarial friendliness between two partners who alternate between picking up the slack for each other, and a fondness for wordplay. It's from early 2001.

Or how about those ACMSES people? They have a Canon Cannon just like we do. Except it does things different. And they have Plothole Generator, which hm. Seem to be Remote Activators under a different name, basically.

Or that group in the Artemis Fowl fandom, which is a bunch of teenaged girls fighting to protect canon.

Oh. My. Gosh.

I think CreativeSprite has made enough changes and has made what she's doing enough of her own thing that us getting on her case about it is just showing a bunch of people who are overly sensitive to other people using the same equipment in a different playground.

After all, we don't give every single PPC agent an animal counterpart to help with CAFs. Or envelopes saying what roles they're supposed to pretend to be and take up while they're in the fic. We don't do multiple chapter fics for missions. There's a continuing storyline, as compared to our favorite way of doing things with a formula. You're all being silly by focusing only on the similarities; when you bring the differences in it's a whole 'nother ballgame.

So it's that, or, y'know, you lot are feeling threatened by it for some reason. Which is really silly, given her reply to Araeph. She's clearly aware of the similarities, but she wouldn't offer to change things if she didn't care; there's respect, which means she doesn't want to offend us.

And for you who are crying about her spelling and grammar? Go reread TOS. Then try and tell me that Jay and Acacia were perfect writers. With a straight face. Hell, go and tell me any of our stuff is perfect with wonderful spelling and grammar when it's put up without a beta going over it. You can manage that, right? Oh, wait, no.

Suck it up. We're not the only ones doing this, it's not just our idea, you're all getting whiny and defensive over something for no good reason.

The very first quote has a grevious punctuation error; any decent beta would have caught the extra apostrophie. That alone makes me think that this 'organsation' is both careless and hypocritical. Not maliciously so, but nonetheless. I don't like it.

Certainly, if someone without any knowledge of the PPC were to create a Sue-Slaying organisation, there are some things that would follow logcially - using in-canon weapons and avoiding interaction with canons - but the use of neuralysers, the style of the charge lists, and the "own 'world'" outside of any fandom are too specific to be natural coincidence.

My impression therefore is that this author read something from the PPC, loved it, but didn't like either our community restrictions or Permission-getting process and decided to strike out on their own. If she's being honest and encountered the PPC later, then I don't approve of her leaving her story up the way that it is - in her shoes, I would instantly take it down or heavily edit - but that's me and my determination not to offend anyone.

That said, I'm not inclined to be nasty about it. If we did present her with a list of things 'too similar that we want her to change' I imagine it would be both very long and poorly recieved, but I'm not ready to write to the FFN admin and try to get her taken down. That's unnecessary and uncalled for. I would rather that she either did some thorough editing and adjusted 'her' ideas so it's not such an obvious parallel, or apply for Permission and then adjust her work so it conforms to our standards - but, again, I don't see that happening.

In short, I'm not happy, but I'm not about to start a fight. In lieu of some very generous offers on her part, I'm inclined to leave it alone.