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(Or just one year minimum, with the IP block.)

Though he also sounds like he needs RL help/intervention, and if he doesn't get it I worry he may harm people (in addition to animals as previously mentioned in this thread) offline as well.

So, granted, SRPA was kinda awkward at first, but that seemed like standard newbie stuff, but then stuff like kinda nasty revenge plans on his brother, callousness to animal abuse, and apparently actually hurting people here started giving off a vibe of "ehhh..." Like, I kinda get some of his behavior, since I think I've seen something like this before (though admittedly not as extreme) and, well, i'm inclined to believe that people can change, so I figure a ban of at least a year might give him time to mature a bit more. Hopefully.

It should've been sent now.

E-mail is missfontane at gmail dot com. This is where you should send the link to the doc, because the general consensus is that we don't post links for unfinished and unbeta'd writing on the Board. (Just don't forget to change the permissions so that I can comment - I'm saying because I myself keep forgetting that when I share my stuff.) I won't promise that I will look at your doc right at this exact moment, but I definitely will in the next two or three days.

Do I just post a link here or share the document with you? I've done this before, but I have the memory of a goldfish.

I'm not that familiar with the Pokemon universe, but I can employ my research powers, and I can offer some help polishing character bios and dynamics if you wish. I strongly suggest you get another beta as well (at the very least for the SPaG because English isn't my native language), but if you wish for my help, I'm on board. (Of course if you'd prefer someone who knows Pokemon better than I do, I get it.)

I'll confess that I've been rather annoyed by certain ways SRPA has interacted with the community for a while (such as his recent editing of the PPC wiki without knowing if his edits were actually correct, which he himself admitted on the edit page) and I've been rather uncomfortable communicating with him, but I haven't been affected beyond that - mostly because I rarely go on the Discord most of the time. So seeing how much he's hurt other members of the community, knowingly or unknowingly, was a very unpleasant shock. Frankly, I don't care anymore if he's trying his best to communicate with us or not after seeing all the things he's been doing here. Anyone who posts content like that on the Discord repeatedly, despite being clearly asked to stop (that, and all the other things he's said and done - that AFSJ yhor cbfg seriously threw me for a loop) needs to go.

To sum up: I've had my issues with SRPA for a while, but seeing Delta's full post now, I vote for a permaban. Clearly temporary bans and trying to discuss things with him have been ineffective. He needs to leave.

I've never really interacted with him, but some of his posts have made me sort of uncomfortable and reading the full account of what he's done, I think that some sort of ban is needed.

I'm usually quite a forgiving person, but you have to draw the line somewhere. I don't really have anything else to contribute, so that was my 10 cents.

I've not been around here much of late, but what I have seen of SRPA's behaviour has always made me a bit uneasy. At first I was happy to chalk it up to new person learning the customs of a new community and expecting that some of the rough edges might get smoothed, but from those examples it's clear that SRPA is not adjusting behaviours even when requested to, and it seems to be the point to take action if others in the community are being affected.

Elcalion

Truth! Freedom! Justice! Reasonably-Priced Love! And A Hard-Boiled Egg!

Yes again, o Boarders, the geekiest pride-iest day of the year is upon us. For today is not only the commemoration of the establishment of the Glorious People's Republic of Treacle Mine Road (you had to be there, at least to wear the lilac), it's also Towel Day (Hitch-hikers Guide to the Galaxy) and the anniversary of the release of the first Star Wars movie back in 1977. (It's also Turkmen Carpet Day, but that's entirely coincidental this year).

I inadvertently wore lilac (or at least the closest my wardrobe gets) today without even thinking about it. And I always know where my towel is.

Hope everyone a-Board is as safe and sane as possible at the moment.

Elcalion, delurking in lilac

After reading through most of the other replies and some deliberation, I would personally vote for permaban - I don't think he will learn, and prior warnings/his self imposed bans have had zero effect. Does he have a lack of understanding? Yes. However, as he's hurting people, I do believe the time to handle this is now - he is posting very triggering content ilunasked for and unneeded, or else making people very uncomfortable in various ways. I don't believe he is compatible with this community, and I believe his presence is sufficiently harmful with enough lack of learning to call for a permanent ban. Maybe it's harsh, but...he doesn't listen.

I got busy with Real Life, but thanks for the constructive criticism!

I've interacted with SRPA a handful of times. He's been quite civil to me, and learning about what he's done, I'm feeling quite uncomfortable.

However, my feelings don't negate the fact that he's been rather insensitive, especially to Voyd, and acted petty and spiteful in #generic_salt. This is pushing the boundaries a bit too much, and I get a fear response every time I see him get a bit close to potentially triggering topics.

It may not have been intentional, but it is hurting the community. I vote at least a one-year ban from the server and the Board.

Partly for personal reasons, but dreading seeing his name pop up did no favours for my mental health. He'd already gotten away once with calling me a drug abuser and barely apologising for it.

I've been silent in the PPC for... maybe the last month? and just lurking on the Board, but I'm breaking my silence to add to what everyone else has said. He makes me deeply uncomfortable and has shown no improvement in his interactions with the community, and after seeing this from Delta?

I would vote for a ban.

I mean, when we talk about this stuff, there doesn't seem to be any reason why he won't get it. He seems to understand? But he can't do it. In some areas he's improved- he spoiler tags things he didn't before, previously.

But honestly, the problem that I see is that SRPA seems to have a lot of trouble understanding the spirit, rather than just the letter, of the law. For instance, the difference between carefully spoiler tagging things that happen in badfic and making sure to tell people when it's not ok, and straight up posting stuff that is Not Ok- properly warned about, but still unasked for, unwarranted, and purposeless.

The differences in context also seem to be the problem with the barely censored profanity. He understands that we don't type out profanity, but has difficulty complying when told that we have a specific procedure for censoring things- namely, rot13. He doesn't understand when discussing certain topics is for one purpose, and acceptable if properly and carefully marked, and when it's unsolicited, harmful, and not something that's wanted in the community at any time.

The reason this is so concerning is the serious harm it causes others, something I'm not sure if he understands. I don't understand him a lot-it's hard to tell if he is aware of this, which is the kind of thing that makes me feel reluctant to argue for a ban- I just keep hoping I can find something, and it can be fixed.

I feel like I'm not the only one who's reluctant just because of the sheer lack of understanding. As many people have noted, talking with him often just feels strange. In the past, he's done things like continue to refer to people by their original handles after they explicitly changed their name and told everyone about it. The person didn't feel the need to correct them, but referring to someone by one name while everyone else calls them another just feels really strange to me. Often when I discuss things with him, I worry I'm somehow targeting him for these social differences, even though I know that the problem isn't that, and is something completely different. I don't know, I just felt like the topic needed to be brought up.

There's one more topic, sort of unique to me, but also public, that I want to bring up. If anyone feels that this is too much or airing dirty laundry or whatever, please let me know and I'll delete it. That's the topic of SRPA's talking about Curtis. He discusses his brother often in a negative light, which isn't a problem, as plenty of people discuss family stuff and bad family situations in #generic-salt. For context, in some cases he's brought up his brother in completely unrelated conversations. In other cases, he's discussed violence towards his brother. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cBR3yPNVzrV5ceLC3wGbQ0VHHAwbFh/view?usp=sharing However, on some occasions he's discussed revenge plans towards his brother- at one point he discussed destroying his brother's electronic equipment, which I told him wasn't okay. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TkJHZvObLemHf4uoEcFCXzRuX-7Uxy2Q/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j0NuaO0COZ8A2r2gR129KsQy81Wxzi31/view?usp=sharing He posted a screenshot from an article that contained advice which seriously concerned me, to the point where I considered the advice to be bordering on emotional abuse. (The screenshot he sent to chat is included in my subsequent links.) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aNSCjCXvOQUcFdKEjKVVCjeQSfvnjPAW/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/15ZYbMHdfUNYnuETXWS7liXcKkJR55L/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U5KlQBPHf3tV2fISgPz7HVeACuYpZY9y/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rDcxlwNtX2s3GbJ2Csv5inC0vLy6dFgD/view?usp=sharing I can't really point to any way that this behavior violates the Constitution. I didn't explicitly ask him to stop, because I didn't feel like I had the right to tell him he couldn't complain about his brother, who SRPA related being strangled by in the past. I did bring up the second instance to a mod. In other words, I don't know if this behavior is objectionable or should be considered an "offense", but I do know that I feel like I've had to talk someone out of behavior I consider violent, and that it was incredibly stressful to do so, and that I never felt sure as to whether I'd have to do it again.

But I don't know if someone who doesn't understand the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, and the context in which discussions are had, can ever be fully compatible with the PPC. And as others have said, the harm to others isn't worth the effort to try.

Considering the lack of effect that previous bans have had, and the extent to which harm has been done, I would honestly be in favor of a ban for two and a half years, which may seem extreme. But I can't see this behavior changing in a year. I would also be willing to consider a permanent ban.

I can almost always be found in the Discord, but for the past few weeks I've been working hard on final exams. A few times, I would come back online just as the metaphorical dust was settling, so this is the first time I've actually seen the things SRPA has been posting. Now that I have, I suddenly feel a lot less comfortable with having him in the Discord. I think a ban of some sort is definitely in order.

I don't feel comfortable (yet) suggesting a time length on such a ban or commenting on whether the ban should be restricted to just the Discord server, so I'll leave that up to others. If I decide later to make a recommendation, then I will reply to this post so it's clearly visible.

As our resident work addict, I've missed most of the more egregious actions SomeRandomPersonAccount has taken. However, I have to agree with what many others have said already: I avoid interacting with him because there's a disconnect in speaking with him that makes things awkward and confusing. It really does feel like we're not quite in the same reality, and it's frustrating.

I was fine with ignoring it, since I thought harmless confusion was the full extent of the problem . . . but now that Delta Juliette has shown that SRPA's behavior is indeed causing more harm than that, I do feel that we need to address this problem.

So, to briefly go over the state of things:

1. SRPA has made a habit of posting things not appropriate for the community, including things triggering for certain members, and failing to either warn for them properly or, I would argue, understand in what way they were inappropriate to begin with.

2. SRPA has been asked multiple times to change this behavior and has failed to do so, despite being in the PPC a full ten months now.

3. SRPA generally has difficulty communicating properly or meaningfully with a large portion of the rest of us. This would not be an issue on its own, but needs to be taken into account alongside all the other points.

4. SRPA has already seen a temporary ban from the Discord. It was a ban requested by him, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a measure that was already attempted by the community, and failed to elicit a change.

I think the by-the-books next step would be to escalate the Discord-only temporary ban to include the entire community. However, we've already seen that SRPA returned from his original ban with no behavioral change, and I suspect another temporary ban would yield the same lack of result. That's why, in light of the history of unchanging behavior, and the fact that SRPA regularly brings up triggering topics that are harmful to specific members of our community, I'm going to be the bad guy and advocate for a full permanent ban from the community at this point. I do understand some may consider this too harsh too quickly, but I personally feel it's our best option at this point.

—doctorlit

(As a preface, I haven't read any of the replies to this as of writing - my intention right now is to say my piece, then keep my nose out of this discussion until and unless a formal vote is called for or someone points out that I've said something decidedly uncool, in which case, make a reply post here and include a request for a moderator to poke me on Discord, elsewise I will not see it.)

I don't see the point in wasting my breath on being eloquent or even especially polite about this matter. SRPA has been formally spoken to on three separate occasions about his conduct, with mod hat explicitly on. Those are just the times I know of. In my book, without any notable effort made to actually improve his behavior in the slightest, that's a sign on his own that he and this place don't get along.

I won't make baseless accusations about why he does the things he does. That won't serve a purpose. But I will formally propose, at the very least, that SRPA should be officially given the boot. We have been endlessly patient with him, given him every reasonable benefit of the doubt, and he seems to have taken that to mean he can use us to wipe his feet. He has done nothing but hurt community members again and again and again.

He needs to go.

At this point, I don't think he's going to learn. He has done the same things again and again. Not to mention that he just came back to the community Discord a few weeks ago after doing the delete-a-message thing again after insulting other members of the community. He has not demonstrated any actual efforts to improve what he does, and only seems to go through the motions for a moment to try and get us off his back. Just like how he 'bans' himself for a while before coming back.

As a result of all of this, I am gonna have to support a ban as well. For how long? I don't know. But some level of ban is required at this point, and not just his self-inflicted one that he basically ends when he gets wants.

I'd like to believe SRPA isn't being actively malicious, but at the end of the day what matters is that they've broken the rules repeatedly and failed to learn from it. Maybe they could learn eventually, but I don't think that possibility is worth the harm to the rest of the community.

I'm not sure what exactly should be done if we're in agreement that the line's been drawn, but I'm supporting some kind of ban. I'm just tired of my friends being hurt and would very much like that to stop,

...make that TWO years. Maybe two and a half.

Fair warning: this gets a little personal.

SRPA is...hard for me to wrap my head around. He's confusing and scary to interact with, and even when he isn't actively doing anything in particular, I don't feel safe around him, to the point where my brain just...shuts down when he's in a conversation. (Though I do have to admit his cat is cute.)

I'm... not really sure where I was going with this, but his mere presence, to me, has become pure concentrated mindshpxery, and not the fun kind. Had to block him a while back because just seeing his messages nearly drove me to self-harm.