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I didn't read that enormous block of text you just assaulted my eyes with, but I don't have to, because I'm always right. You'll be much happier once you realize that. But don't worry, I'm not mad that you're wrong. I know no one can be as perfect as I am. Also, I AM the manager. ^_^

(( I actually did read it. Those names, jeez. {X D ... Mirror Neshomeh is scary because it wouldn't have been that hard for her to be real. ._. ))

You did a good job with imagery and with describing emotions in the Gerry piece. The opening lines seemed ot set that up pretty well.

I did not predict the twist on Every Thread is Torn.

Keys was interesting, and I could overall fallow it and enjoy the ride despite not being too up to date on Dr. Who.

Humans May Be Fragile was a nice bit of character interaction.

I read the rest of the stuff, too.

I don't really have detailed comments, but I figured I'd at least jump in with an "I read the things and I approve"

I did that, before letting him back in, about a month ago. He's very good at agreeing that he was in the wrong and apologizing... and I don't think it's possible to gauge stickiness of a lesson in a single conversation. It certainly hasn't stuck in past.

After all, the Hedgehog's Dilemma is such a troublesome thing to be on the wrong end of~

I WASN'T CONSULTED ABOUT THIS! I GET TO CHOOSE WHETHER OT NOT I LOVE SOMEONE! EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO MY HUSBAND, WHO CHOSE THAT I LOVE HIM AND OUR FOUR LOVELY CHILDREN: BRAMWELL, ARAMINTA, TARQUIN, AND GWYNDOLYN! I CHOOSE TO LOVE THEM ALL EVEN THOUGH HAVING THE WHOLE STEAMING PACK OF THEM MEANT I ABANDONED MY ARCHITECTURE DEGREE TO RAISE THE KIND OF FECKLESS INGRATES WHO ASKED TO GO TO DISNEYLAND INSTEAD OF THE ISLE OF WIGHT! BRING BACK THE SLIPPER, I SAY! IT NEVER DID ME ANY HARM! I CAN'T WALK PAST BIRCH TREES WITHOUT HAVING A FIT OF THE VAPOURS BUT IT NEVER DID ME ANY HARM! IN ANY EVENT, I CERTAINLY DID NOT CHOOSE TO LOVE YOU! AND AS IS MY RIGHT AS A CITIZEN OF THE GREAT AND NOBLE NATION OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND NOT JUST NORTHERN IRELAND REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY MIGHT SAY ON THE NEWS, I DEMAND TO SPEAK TO YOUR MANAGER ABOUT THE INSULT YOUR WORDS LEVY AT MY PERSON!

(oh god why is mirror scape a karen what went wrong there)

y'know what a community like this really needs? some nice political and religious arguments. who knows, maybe there'll be a nice, entertaining flame war. the thought of it really puts a smile on my face. DEUS VULT

a version of ourselves that's twisted in a way that is very much not us, but could have been us. Not quite opposites.

On the Discord, we were having a conversation about our mirror selves, as in, our opposites. Now, we're role playing as them.

As Delta put it, SRPA's not improving at any rate I'm comfortable with, and has been doing a pretty bad job of following the Constitution and otherwise not harming several people in the community.

I figure that the improvement we're looking for, if it happens, needs to not happen here, and given how many people he's made thoroughly uncomfortable at best (heck, I'm not that comfortable interacting with him, and while that's very much not a banning offense, it really doesn't help matters once a plausible case for a ban has been assembled...) and how little improvement there's been, it's time to call it.

I'd say we want an indefinite ban of at least a year. (After that year, if SRPA was going to come back, I'd want to hear clearly what steps he'd taken to make sure we don't get near this point again. I'm not sure I'd see that happening, so this is likely in practice a permaban vote, but I want to leave our options open.)

One thing i noticed is that the "posting significantly inappropriate stuff in chat a bunch" aspect of this reminds me somewhat of Ammo Guy (tw: mentions of bestiality), and some of the conduct at issue is inching close to that type of situation, so ... yeah. More support for a ban vote.

On a broader note, one thing I've had pointed out to me is that a lot of people were rather uncomfortable with going on harmed by SRPA being in the chat (and/or the community in general?) for a while now, but this thread only went up after a recent incident where a lot of folks were simultaneously unhappy. Was this just a case of there not being an obvious enough reason to start the ban talk until now? Or was there an element of no one wanting to start the thread until they knew other people would be on board because they didn't want to be the person "starting drama"?

Calling for things like bans is a hard problem, since there's a tension between letting people learn from their mistakes and protecting other members of the community, so I'm not trying to attack anyone over the timing of how this was handled. I happen to thnk we probably did a reasonable job of it, but, for example, the people more directly hurt by SRPA might disagree and think we should've acted noticeably sooner. Or had some way to discover that yeah, a lot of other people are having problems too.

- Tomash, throwing difficult questions at the wall to see what happens

I get the same sense doctorlit talked about that the rest of us and Random aren't quite on the same page, though how much of that is a language barrier I'm unable to say. And I try to believe the best of people, I really do. (Or at least assume they don't know rather than that they're malicious.)

But at this point, I just don't feel like Random has any real interest in actually changing his behavior. While he no longer puts half his posts in spoiler bars, that doesn't change that he doesn't seem to get what we want him to do after acknowledging that his latest offense was in fact an offense. Hells, we already banned him once before, at his own request (which honestly just makes it worse that he hasn't changed tbh) and he's still only made token efforts to improve. And the thing a few months ago where he kept going all "oh wow I started an argument, is this what's gonna get me kicked?" (some of y'all might know what I'm talking about; search the Discord backlog) and general "self-negging" (as BobbyCass put it) just annoys me, in hindsight.

I further agree with Nesh's addendum: that if, after the lockout (however long that ends up being), he still wishes to come back, one of the moderators should talk to him beforehand to see if he's actually letting the lesson stick this time. (Not super optimistic that that'll be the case, but again: I try to believe the best of people.)

but I shall now partake in the noble and passionate art of leaning against the wall and brooding.

I also managed to wear a light purple shirt today without realizing what I was doing! {= D My neighbors have actual flowering lilacs in their yard, too. 'Tis a good day.

~Neshomeh

there's stuff going on here, I don't feel like it.

Clear your schedule right now, we're marathoning it. I'll bring popcorn.

But I bet Darling in the FranXX is just as good!

General principles:

1. The Constitutional points Delta Juliette raised apply in all PPC spaces.

2. No means no; stop means stop. This shouldn't be difficult to understand.

3. It is incumbent upon a newcomer to a private group to learn the group's ways and assimilate. The group is not required to accept anyone who can't or won't assimilate.

Personally: my experiences with SRPA have also been awkward or annoying.

It seems pretty clear after this much time that he can't or won't assimilate. If someone doesn't leave on their own when that's the case, it's right to ban them.

At the same time, though, I do want to caution us against possibly being a little too sensitive and imposing our personal values on others? This is basically an unconnected aside in that it doesn't bear on the question of whether or not SRPA should be banned and I don't feel any separate discussion is required. I feel the need to speak about this for my own personal reasons.

(cw applies below)

Context matters. In Korea, eating a live octopus is an admittedly extreme version of a normal food. If I kill a spider, I'm overcoming a phobia in order to deal with something that is causing me anxiety. That CAN be an accomplishment--not the killing, which I don't like and wouldn't boast about, but the overcoming of irrational fear. (OTOH, leaving the spider alive and putting it outside would be an even bigger accomplishment for me.) And, I think there's a big difference between the sort of dark humor that can encompass a cartoon cat doing something upsetting and anything at all to do with harm to a REAL cat (and I say this as someone with a lifelong Thing about cats in particular). If most of us agree that it's in poor taste, that's fine, but conflating cartoon violence with real violence is a mistake.

We don't all have the same values or sensitivities, and sometimes it's our responsibility to learn to cope with our unique sensitivities in a healthy way rather than to expect everyone around us to alter their everyday behavior so we don't have to learn to cope. I want to be sure we all bear this in mind.

(cw applies above)

ALL THAT SAID, I realize that my sense of foreboding about going too far with circling the wagons is a personal problem to a degree.

It IS responsible to ask for help dealing with our issues if we need it, and it's fair to expect reasonable requests to stop a specifically upsetting behavior to be respected. SRPA hasn't shown that basic respect; it is quite right for SRPA to be banned.

~Neshomeh

all the cast are sooo cute i want to date them all O//w//O