I should apologize for that rant. You said you were wanting to write an *AU* for the universe. *headwall* I should probably have read your post a bit better. But still, even with an AU label, you'd be stretching canon pretty far. Look at what happens to Lord of the Rings, especially concerning poor Legolas. And most, if not all of those fics have an AU label on them.
I'm not saying that an AU is a bad thing, but that your constructed idea is a fairly shaky one. You'd be tossing aside or ignoring most of the canon facts, and tossing aside ones that are integral to the structure of the universe. If you have the Omaticaya near starvation, then you'd be destroying Pandora, a beautiful planet with incredible sustainable growth. There is a complete equilibrium on that planet, and according to Word of Cameron, Earth food is horrible. I wouldn't touch it with a 39 1/2 foot pole. Algae and grubs? Eww.
But the incident that you were wanting to put in your story-- pretty good, solid idea. Maybe put it with another clan? Maybe the Tipani, or make one of your own?
If I think of any other nit-picky ideas for you, I'll post 'em here, or contact you (where do I do that, anyways?).
-Abelas,
Honu_Wahine
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An adendum, and I apologize by
on 2010-02-20 01:18:00 UTC
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Sorry, you do not win the case of Push Fruit by
on 2010-02-20 01:11:00 UTC
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The Earth really *is* screwed-- so says the Word of Cameron. A direct quote from the guide to everything Avatar "We've devastated our planet. We're neck-deep in festering industrial muck, in a trash heap of ever-expanding waster and decay. Overpopulation, overdevelopment, nuclear terrorism, environmental warfare, radiation leakage from power plants and waste dumps, toxic runoff, air pollution, deforestation, global warming, ozone depletion, loss of bio-diversity through extinction..." So much for the exaggerated state, Gandalf the Beige. Page one(of actual text), James Cameron's Avatar: An Activist Survival Guide.
In the section about flora, it says that plants from Pandora are being used to heal what's left of the Pittsburgh wastelands--and that they're *thriving.* Pandora's atmosphere is mostly CO2(18%+), Hydrogen Sulfide(toxic concentration less than 1%), Xenon(5.5%), and Argon, along with O2. Therefore, Earth *cannot* be as well off as you have tried to explain it.
Yes, there is a colony on the moon, but nothing about Mars-- sorry, but you're out of luck there. The moon is also, according to what I could find from official sources, a cess pit with more humans living in itty-bitty spaces than is safe(oh, and Earth's population is only 20 billion).
To address the Gene Banks--sorry, pretty much everything but worms, cockroaches, grubs, and humans are *EXTINCT* in every sense of the word. Power-- that's a big fish. There is an extreme energy crisis on Earth(not to mention overpopulation, eternal war, extermination of life as we know it...) is why people went to the stars(i.e. Pandora) in the first place. There is no ozone layer, all water is pretty much toxic--and tastes like turpentine after its been filtered to within an inch of its life. No, the damage is not being healed--not on the scale that you're suggesting. Enviromentalists from Na'vi Nuts(TM) are smuggling flora in from Pandora to see if they can heal the Earth, but at the rate that the RDA is arresting and torturing/killing them, I don't think that's going to well.
The Sully brothers, that's *Sully,* dear, not *Scully,* were born and raised on Earth, and until Cameron says otherwise, I'm going to say that their parents are still alive(oh, and I claim that Mini).
On the Hell's Gate--Omaticaya and Hometree situation- The RDA was never allowed to mine there in the first place. That's why they destroyed Hometree in the movie. Yes, they did mine, but they were never near Hometree. The Omaticaya clan would also never have been near starvation. The planet has incredible sustainable growth--where Earth is spiraling out of control(and into a toxic hell), Pandora maintains a constant equilibrium. They wouldn't have needed saving, and even if they did, they would have gone to another clan or Eywa(through the Tree of Souls)for help. Selfridge is, pardon my language, an evil corporate bastard. Quaritch is, once again pardon my language, an evil sadistic bastard from the depths of whatever hell spawned him. But he is a good soldier, I'll give him that. But a UN hero? Nah. One--the UN no longer exists, two--Quaritch likes killing people too much.
Have you done the i-phone app? Cause that's the only place I know of where the mining equipment was destroyed--it was only one BULLDOZER, and it was set on fire. Grace's Avatar never spent a month in ICU(from what *I* know), as she wasn't able to intervene before the hunters and Sylwanin were killed by the RDA--not Wainfleet specifically. And, from the incident you were talking about, Wainfleet wasn't there, nor was Quaritch. Quaritch arrived after Major Cage got his ass handed to him in a spectacular fashion by the Omaticaya(an Avatar named Lorenz, specifically). Trudy Chacon(ooh, another mini--You can have it, it's a mini-Turok named Trudy Chachon) would also have arrived with Quaritch, thus, she wouldn't have been able to witness the incident with Lorenz, the Omaticaya, and Major Cage.
I do apologize for poking holes in what might have been a great theory, but I had to. I love Avatar 'verse too much not to. And, this topic has already been picked over before(yes, I remember you), and should now stop. Earth is a cesspool of toxic waste, Pandora is an atmospherically-toxic paradise, and Quaritch and Selfridge are both assholes.
James Cameron is the Avatar 'verse God. What he says is Canon is FACT, therefore, when anyone says anything differently, we must stop them. I suggest reading the Survival Guide for more information.
Sincerely, the nitpicker;
-Honu_Wahine
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Thinking of an (Cameron) Avatar AU by
on 2010-02-19 23:18:00 UTC
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I know that Canon is the Name of the Game here, but ever since I saw the movie (and began reading internet discussion boards), some things have bugged me.. okay alot of things, but the seemingly exaggerated state of Earth's decay and the improbably large population (32 Billion? Isn't it supposed to peak at about 12 Billion about 50 years before the movie?) are the worst. So... Here's my thoughts for an AU fic.
-Earth is.. not an Eden, but certainly not as bad as in the script. Global Warming has taken it's toll, a third-world exodus has taken place, some ecosystems have dissappeared forever. However, gigantic gene-banks house the DNA of every endangered species scientists could get their hands on, Bengal Tigers have been cloned after nearly 70 years of extinction and widespread fusion power (and extensive water-pipelines to even out the effects of drought and deluge) are finally beginning to allow us to heal much of the damage we inflicted.
-The Off-world Colonies (Luna and mars) are a slightly different story. The Moon is an "ivory Tower" technocracy specializing in the research and manufacture of high-tech equipment and products (If that Clear-Screen don't say "Made on Luna", it's junk) Mars is an industrial colony /terraforming project, mostly populated by Third World overflow, fed with vast, subterranean algae farms and governed (at times) as an RDA Police State. This was the source of the Scully Brothers, orphaned at 8 in a 3-week long uprising (which was put down in the interest of "Industrial security") Tom and Jake were then (borderline) adopted by the RDA, and schooled to serve them in the future.
Now, to Pandora.
-The changes here are stark. First off, Hell's Gate is based around the Hometree of a Na'vi clan that the RDA basically saved from starvation when they first arrived. Mining is done around the roots mostly by a complicated and costly process of air-drilling and leaving ore-free pillars of rock to support the tree until they can put in better supports. (though the removal of the mineral may soon show to have a detrimental effect in itself).
Selfridge is more competent, Quaritch is a UN-Mission Hero from the humanitarian interventions in West Africa (brought in to hopefully control the PMC thugs that RDA budgeted for this thing). The Local Na'vi are becoming more acclimatized to Earth technology and social customs (or in the Words of Grace Augustine, "Turning them into Welsh Coal Miners")
-The Omaticaya are much different. Initially, they were as open to the idea as the others, but as the expansion plans became more fleshed out, doubts grew. Total break-down occured when a group of young hunters were caught vandalizing pit-mining equipment (for an area that was supposed to be reclaimed later), were tracked to Dr. Augustine's school in the forest (who was there at the time), and were promptly shot up by Sgt. Lyle Wainfleet. Grace's avatar spent a month in the base ICU... the oldest daughter of the Omaticaya clan leaders didn't make it, her death witnessed by her younger sister, Neytiri.
-The first signs of Quaritch's mental breakdown come when he was supposed to hand over Wainfleet to the Omaticaya in order to get some sort of peace out of it. Quaritch claims he delivered Lyle, the Omaticaya deny it... and only Trudy Chachon, the Sampson pilot for that trip, knows the truth. For the first half of the story, she stays quiet about it.
Well?
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'ello again! by
on 2010-02-19 16:33:00 UTC
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We bumped into each other on #PPC, but I'm here as well.
*gives Jack a bumper sticker*
Welcome to the board!
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Re: So many Mini-Rayquazas. by
on 2010-02-19 16:19:00 UTC
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I made a list of minis. There were two of them I wasn't sure about. I counted swab and wabloo, although I wasn't entirely sure about them.
WABLOO
SWABLOO
Swabloog
murcrow
mircrow
Swablood
Swabloof
picachu
Swabloog
mucrow
Pachinko
Murkor
DRIFFLOON
Swab
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I filed an abuse report. by
on 2010-02-19 07:59:00 UTC
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Despite evidence to the contrary, the Pit DOES have rules about using proper language, and this blatantly throws all of them to the wind. I noticed that the author claims it is an "experimental abstract fanfiction," but since the other two stories on the account are similarly awful, I don't believe him. Her. It. Whatever. {= P
~Neshomeh
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So many Mini-Rayquazas. by
on 2010-02-19 06:05:00 UTC
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I count twelve Minis, assuming "Pachinko" in chapter two (chapter three?) is supposed to be Pikachu.
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I must share this with you all... by
on 2010-02-19 05:53:00 UTC
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http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5756485/1/Wabloo_Swabloo
WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN
...It's horrible, horrible... I don't even want to know...
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thank you by
on 2010-02-19 03:23:00 UTC
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Thanks. I will. I am also on The Pit.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5560010/1/Promises
It's my latest story. I am a total LOTR freak.
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oh teh noes by
on 2010-02-19 03:21:00 UTC
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Ai, cripes, darn it...
THEY GOT ASUKA TOO!!! *wails*
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i got a surprise for you by
on 2010-02-19 03:16:00 UTC
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LOL. It's industrial grade hair wax. ENJOY!
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Re: Hello! by
on 2010-02-19 02:19:00 UTC
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*is glomped* =D
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Hello! by
on 2010-02-18 23:12:00 UTC
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Welcome to the PPC! Here's a sabre from the Raven Armory and a bottle of bleeprin. Have fun with the Sue slaying (and the headaches that stem from reading badfic).
My advice is to create a realistic agent, one that's well balanced, flawed, and has issues. But the agent should also have talents as well.
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Hiya by
on 2010-02-18 21:55:00 UTC
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Welcome to the nuthouse. Don't worry-as someone's probably already told you, "We're all mad here."
Here, have a mutant mutt(and I seriously need to rename that critter). He's a generic mutant wolf, rescued from an insane woman with over twenty minis and a bad story in the JC Avatar verse. He likes to chew on everything, and is a good warning system for 'Sue's in Avatar. He's also good with children.
Oh, and have a Generic Shovel. You'll need one eventually -- it's good for digging mass graves, knocking out bits, 'Sues, and canons, and shoveling snow.
--Honu_Wahine
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Welcome! *proffers a plate of lembas* (nm) by
on 2010-02-18 20:13:00 UTC
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Nah, no slaying. by
on 2010-02-18 19:08:00 UTC
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I will add another tip, though: if you've been using the login button, don't; there's no need. Most of us find it easier to simply enter our user names in the Author field when we post. {= )
And kudos if you were making a Sam Gamgee reference there. ^_^
~Neshomeh
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First poke! by
on 2010-02-18 18:52:00 UTC
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Again. I already poked you in the chat, but this is the official one. *poke*
Hmm... Dann already gave you a bumper sticker, so that just leaves this: in addition to the links Ansela has provided, you may wish to visit the PPC Lost Tales archive, which is the only place to find some of the things written contemporarily with the Original Series since GeoCities bit the big one. It's still under construction in places, but mostly if you can get there, you can read the content.
Enjoy, and welcome!
~Neshomeh
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First ketchup! by
on 2010-02-18 18:09:00 UTC
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Welcome to the Board! I offer you a coxcomb, which is a sort of funny hat.
Wow, we've had a veritable flood of newbies...awesome!