It's just that, with people thinking about that and the fact that I know people don't like Makes-Things being dead (in fact, one of my first memories of the PPC was how entertaining I found Makes-Things, I was really shocked when I found out he'd died during my absence), so I thought I'd suggest it. It did seem simple enough to just bring him back/have him come back as a ghost. The canon doesn't have to be retconned that way, but we still get Makes-Things.
As for the second bit, I must admit I've thought about that sort of thing, but I've always intended for anything like that to be at least a few years down the line if I even did it, not something that happens right now. A lot of the time, haven't intended on it at all, and it's just been idle thought. Actually been debating whether it'd be better to have absolutely nothing happen in 2012 (making the Catastrophe theory look silly) or to have something happen then (to go along with it). Either way, my point is I don't intend on doing something like that at the time, and any plans I might have aren't supposed to happen for a long while.
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I didn't know you already planned that, sorry. by
on 2009-06-08 00:28:00 UTC
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We were thinking of having him be a prophecy ghost in OFUR. by
on 2009-06-08 00:19:00 UTC
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That is, he appears in dreams and can only give cryptic advice which is nearly useless until the problem's on top of you. He'd only do this once, though, and there's plenty of time to resurrect him after the end of the OFUR year - it's set in '07-'08.
While on the topic, OFUR will not feature a Sue invasion as such, though Sues will do something unpleasant.
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We could always just resurrect him. by
on 2009-06-08 00:13:00 UTC
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I know, it sounds like a stupid idea and you're going to yell at me, but hear me out. There is precedent for dead PPC staff being brought back to life (for example, all of Team Phoenix, Elanor, and Dafydd, as well as technically Tawaki if you consider him turning into a Time Lord to be a form of coming back from the dead), and there are canonical ways to resurrect the dead in some continua. I've actually toyed with the idea of a Medical worker obsessed with figuring out how to bring him back to life, though I might or might not use that character.
The point is, we could get around the issue by simply acknowledging that he died, but bringing him back through a canonical resurrection method. We might not be able to say he never died, but we could easily get around the issue by finding a way to restore him to life. Alternately, we could bring him back as a ghost, since it's obviously possible for such to happen to Agents and Staff. It'd actually make sense that his spirit might hang around DoSAT, I'd think, considering his name was synonymous with that Department while he was alive. It's just an idea.
*braces self*
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Welcome back! *hands out Convenient Cake* (nm) by
on 2009-06-07 23:50:00 UTC
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Oop, sorry - forgot to mention the first two links are NWS. by
on 2009-06-07 23:48:00 UTC
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The first four chapters or so of VQ are reasonably PG, but after that the vermin come in and things drop a tad. Then we get the death scene and that was well-written but still left me going D: for ages.
Fics on the links to authors' pages are rated individually.
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Echoing. And it turns up in professional work, too. by
on 2009-06-07 23:44:00 UTC
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Every time I get a new customer I have to toe the waters for a while to figure out exactly what they want and what they're not willing to listen to. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it gets messy. Since recieving some outright nasty replies from fanfic authors after offering to beta for them, I feel just as meek as you do. Pads is right; there's only so much we can do, and I wish there was a more common differentiation between SPaG beta-reading, content beta-reading, and actual approval of the work in question.
I also want to second your first paragraph, about the feeling that Permission = Writing Ability. It is so very much not true. I've read some PPC missions which I'd like to bury in ConCrit, but I keep my mouth shut, because except for Pads and Trojie and a few others, I'm not really sure how such replies would be taken. I'm not a newbie, but I'm not an oldbie, and the informal hierarchy that comes with that leaves me unsure of what I should say and what's better off left alone (hence why I will probably never be named a Permission Giver).
That said, I welcome ConCrit from everyone. I may not use it - I may not have the time or energy, and may disagree - but I will always thank you and consider it.
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Does Molly count as evil? by
on 2009-06-07 23:44:00 UTC
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I think six-year-olds can't really grasp morality enough to count as intentionally evil, but then who does evil intentionally?
*sings* "She was a good girl/ And it felt great to be a liar ..."
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And a Triceratops. How'd I forget her? (nm) by
on 2009-06-07 23:42:00 UTC
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I'm currently working on a good old grassroots mission. by
on 2009-06-07 23:39:00 UTC
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No squick, no excessive gore, no genderbending. Just some agents splatting Sues with a minimum of drama and maximum of snark. Trying to keep the rating down too, as my agents developed the habit of cursing too much during the squickfic missions and I need to do some more that everyone can enjoy. (Will have to lampshade that in a future mission: "It's R-rated. Obligatory swearing is obligatory." Excuse the troping.)
While on that topic, I can promise I will NEVER EVER use rape as a punchline again. I have a very dark sense of humour and I'd been reading a lot of Something Positive around the time I wrote the missions with Drip and the Trees. I am aware it's not funny in real life, and even in fiction it's not funny if something which counts as a person is on the giving or receiving end (unless it's a Fanficrants entry about how poorly-written it is, of course). I don't personally think it has the same dynamic if the victim's a much-hated badfic character and the attacker's a tree because nobody has ever been attacked by a tree in real life and therefore nobody can really be reminded of bad experiences or anything by it, but that was funny *one* time and I'll not use it again because I am not Randal Milholland and can't push my luck with it. Besides, the agents should have learned their lesson from whatever hell FicPsych put them through. They DID get in trouble for that in-universe, I just didn't make much of it onscreen because I couldn't find a way to make it funny or interesting.
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I like that idea. by
on 2009-06-07 23:33:00 UTC
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I don't want Makes-Things to be dead, either, and in my sadly-neglected missions, I basically avoided the subject because I didn't want to mess around with PPC 'canon', but now I feel like I'm not so restrained, which is nice.
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Ditto - I love a thorough beta by
on 2009-06-07 23:04:00 UTC
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I feel so *clean* afterwards. And virtuous!
If anyone ever sees an issue, from SPaG to word-choice to style to whatever, please please tell me. That's half of what I love about LJ - posts are editable, so if someone finds something that can be improved, I can improve it.
However also ditto, I'm very wary of giving more-than-SPaG concrit to anyone I don't know will take it well.
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Welcome back. Here's a tall ship. (nm) by
on 2009-06-07 22:50:00 UTC
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Re: Hey, Laburnum... by
on 2009-06-07 22:40:00 UTC
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If its about something I've done wrong can you tell me here? Sorry if I have, I didn't mean to.
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Noted. *Looks it up* (nm) by
on 2009-06-07 22:02:00 UTC
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There's a difference? (nm) by
on 2009-06-07 21:42:00 UTC
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or could it possibly be something to do with ... by
on 2009-06-07 21:37:00 UTC
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X-ray fluorescence?
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Hey you! :D (nm) by
on 2009-06-07 21:36:00 UTC
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don't you dare :P by
on 2009-06-07 21:33:00 UTC
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At this point normally I would *huggle* the agents in question but that could be mildly suicidal.
Anyway, no. Rilwen and Cavan stay, and you stay. Please?
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I've been trying to work that out myself by
on 2009-06-07 21:28:00 UTC
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But the only conclusion I can come to is that I know nothing about how the intarmawebz works.
If anyone works it out, please let me know!
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Hmm. by
on 2009-06-07 20:28:00 UTC
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I suppose you could copy and paste the source code to a Notepad file. You'll lose any images associated with the pages, but there's no help for that. You'll just have to grab any images separately. Some of the stuff linked from the Handbook isn't actually on Geocities, though, so check first.
When is Geocities supposed to die? There's probably other PPC stuff on there that ought to be saved.
And, yes, agents can work in multiple fandoms. I haven't read your Permission request yet, because I'm about to go eat something (and then I'll come back), but I noticed that you're aiming for the DMS. That's fine. Agents in the DMS can list more than one fandom in which they'd like to kill Sues, and they often get things they didn't sign up for when the Flowers feel like being evil. They can also join the Freelance Division and be subject to all Sues everywhere, if they're really keen.
I hope I understood that question correctly.
~Neshomeh, who will be back soon.
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Re: 'Evil Things in the PPC' by
on 2009-06-07 20:26:00 UTC
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Aww, nah, don't do that. You know this discussion has gone on too long when people are actually contemplating flouncing...
As for the Elder Evil Tree, he's not evil, that's just his species. I made him because I thought I thought the chance of someone actually writing for DAVD(i) was pretty much nil; next time I'll allow for the possibility.
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Hey there! by
on 2009-06-07 20:20:00 UTC
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If only the good pennies were like the bad pennies. ^_~
What have you missed... that depends on how long you've been gone. My sense of time, particularly on the internet, is awful, so I need landmarks. What's the last thing you remember?
Anyhow, welcome back!
~Neshomeh