KG, I thought we went over this whole "woe is me, I'm so pathetic, everyone hates me" thing already. You're meant to be knocking it off.
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Re: Technically, that's what the DIO does. by
on 2009-06-06 23:26:00 UTC
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Oh, and the best bit is the orangutan. by
on 2009-06-06 23:24:00 UTC
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They try to smuggle her out of a diner where the cops have cornered them by dressing her up in a hoodie and claiming that she's their "son". This inexplicably fools the cops and the wildlife marshal even though Suzanne is hanging by her feet from the railing in front of them:
"My apologies for detaining you and your unorthodox but constitutionally-protected family unit. And may I say that's one fine-looking boy you're raising there."
"Oh, that's because he's from my sperm. I knocked up a hot woman friend of ours, so as not to be all-the-way gay."
(Methinks Jay doth protest too much, but this is me, so I would say that.)
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We've got a few nice things to share :) by
on 2009-06-06 23:23:00 UTC
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Most NSFW, but all *wonderfully* written.
http://franticsga.livejournal.com/20240.html#cutid1
- brilliant Merlin AU, set in Iraq - eventual Merlin/Arthur slash.
and also, a fic that proves, really well, that there's no such thing as a bad genre - Merlin Real Person Slash Mpreg (yes, you read that right). It's hilarious. - http://ifyouweremine.livejournal.com/139767.html#cutid1
Some new Star Trek fic:
http://ladyrogueevie.livejournal.com/66897.html - Kirk/Spock, asphyxiation kink.
http://raphaela667.livejournal.com/37366.html - Kirk/Spock, Sulu the king of gossip overhears something ...
http://mithrigil.livejournal.com/441538.html - Kirk/Spock, clinical porn.
http://irisbleufic.livejournal.com/147832.html - not much pairing but much hilarity; the Enterprise crew find some Nintendo gear to play with.
Narnia:
http://ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com/110194.html - Susan/Caspian, angsty, gorgeous writing.
Doctor Who:
http://community.livejournal.com/shaggydogstales/3672.html - the Doctor repeatedly trying to propose to the Master and the Master repeatedly committing suicide rather than accept, also hilarious.
http://googlebrat.livejournal.com/505772.html - Jack Harkness and the end of the universe ...
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Technically, that's what the DIO does. by
on 2009-06-06 23:22:00 UTC
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However, that doesn't fall to other Departments. All we can really do is strongly encourage their writers to kill them off. Sorry for saying something, I know I don't deserve to be in the same thread as any of you, don't hate me too much for it.
*goes back into hiding*
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Could be solved by showing agents screwing up sometimes. by
on 2009-06-06 23:21:00 UTC
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Not necessarily on an HQ-wide scale. Just buggering up the mission and allowing the Sue to escape, if only briefly, or succeeding in the mission but revealing their existence to some canon characters in a way which takes a little more effort than instant neuralysation to fix (say, in a place with security cameras).
Or more non-mission-centric snippets about the agents interacting with each other. Some of the agents have families, how does one deal with HQ life and raising kids? (Molly is technically a nursery inhabitant but she's had so many temporary bans that she's practically living with S&S fulltime.)
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No, just viciously attacked by passing sea sponges. by
on 2009-06-06 23:17:00 UTC
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They didn't need to be, and I hadn't intended to, but I've been feeling rather needlessly petty. That, I will apologise for.
I also didn't mean the want to be nice as a condemnation, but instead as a fact that's been making actual concrit and bringing things up as very difficult.
And you ought return that official Old Man Walking Stick to Kaitlyn, she needs it more than you. :P
(And yes, I realise now that bringing Cassie into it was definitely below the belt due to current circumstances and I am kicking myself for mentioning her right now.)
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More flame ping-pong, really :P (nm) by
on 2009-06-06 23:08:00 UTC
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Re: Dear various PPC authors, by
on 2009-06-06 23:00:00 UTC
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Who, me? 0_0
*flinch* *sweatdrop*
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CapsLock key broken? by
on 2009-06-06 22:53:00 UTC
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Seriously, July, calm down a little. You make a number of good points, but they don't need to be in the form of personal attacks. I know you were ranting (and Tulkas knows I want to do the same thing sometimes) but "everyone here wants to be nice" isn't (and shouldn't be) a condemnation. In all the long years I've been with the PPC (and I have an official Old Man Walking Stick to prove it!) I've only seen Boarders angry at one another a handful of times, and never (I don't think) about story-related subjects.
I'm going to quote from the Constitution now:
4. ...You don’t have to agree with anyone, of course, and stating your own opinion is encouraged, but no telling other people that their opinion is WRONG...
11. If you have a problem with a fellow PPC Boarder, please try to work it out in private emails. Don’t turn the Board into a free-for-all Flamefest.
14. If someone says something that seems offensive, but you’re not sure exactly what they meant, ASK them first, before jumping down their throats. They probably didn’t mean to offend anyone. (If they DID mean to insult people, go ahead and jump down their throats if you like.)
The PPC isn't just about the missions, entertaining though they may be. It's about a community of people who despise bad writing. That means that we need to help each other when we see it emerging in PPC work, and that we need to be receptive to constructive criticism of our own stories (Concrit -- it's not just a building material in HQ!). But we also need to be nice to each other.
I think it would be sensible for any changes to the structure of the PPC -- new Flowers, Departments, Emergencies -- to be brought up on-Board before actually being implemented. Then anyone objecting would have a chance to object. Because we need to remember that this is a shared universe, and that we can only make it work by working on it together.
Oh, and going back to the Constitution:
20. Remember to have FUN.
And so, since I'm not fond of throat-jumping personally, I'm going to close in the spirit of Rule 16. Aardvarks are orange -- but only on Tuesdays!
hS
(PS: And leave Cassie out of this. I know you're on her LJ; it's not fair to start throwing things at her right now. ~hS)
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*sitting in the metaphorical naughty chair* by
on 2009-06-06 22:47:00 UTC
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If we're indulging in a group confessional here, Boarder! Trojie and Pads will raise their hands to excessive use of unexplained in-jokes and PPC drama - we have had a non-PPC friend say she felt like she was wandering into a long-running soap opera mid-season, after reading one of our missions. This is clearly not a welcoming practice, and we will be putting up a general post on Trojie's LJ explaining background and backstory in the interests of clarifying things for newcomers.
Also we are guilty of allowing a Potterverse AU character to use Potterverse spells in other magical continua, although in our defence, this was only in continua so warped that their own laws of behavior weren't working in the fic, and the spells were used directly to counter the effects of a Suethor, for instance, giving Lucy Pevensie a sex-change. Said Potterverse AU character is also an implausible recruitment/resurrection of a canon character. Oops.
We're also very, very guilty of Not Taking Things Seriously, playing les buggeures risibles in missions and on the Board, seeking out, deliberately, the worst smutfic missions we can find and then downplaying their disgustingness, having Agents specifically tailored to suit their jobs enough that squicking them is tricky (one a biology fanatic, one from such a bloody bizarre AU with regards to sex and sexuality that a lot of things are 'normal' to her...) and a large number of adopted animals, CAFs, minis, children, and Agents in general in our repertoire.
We sound like we're taking the piss towards the end of this, and this is not technically true. What we are trying to do is admit to failings without moping, and striving towards improvement without losing our senses of humour.
We have also recently been found guilty of posting missions unbetaed. We're very, very sorry.
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As a Monty Python fan, thank you! (nm) by
on 2009-06-06 22:45:00 UTC
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Not necessarily by
on 2009-06-06 22:44:00 UTC
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Many of us have LJs.
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Re: No, never by
on 2009-06-06 22:39:00 UTC
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It's a bit difficult to speak to someone privately when the only way of contacting them is through the Board.
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Re: No, never by
on 2009-06-06 22:33:00 UTC
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Oh, no flames from me, don't worry. I was just thinking that it might have been of more use (and certainly would have displayed greater manners) if the people objecting to your agents had spoken to you privately about it first.
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No, never by
on 2009-06-06 22:29:00 UTC
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In fact, I've actually been complemented on how well I handled Chliever's... various impediments.
I can understand not being interested in my missions, but I must say flaming me for disagreeing with someone's opinion on someone ELSE'S opinion is a tad harsh.
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Re: The normal, standard mission in question (PLUG) by
on 2009-06-06 22:23:00 UTC
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Is that an Agent Monty I spy? Marvellous!
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out of interest by
on 2009-06-06 22:22:00 UTC
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Has anyone ever spoken to you privately about not liking aspects of your characters? Or is this today the first you've heard of it?
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Re: Not really a flamewar. by
on 2009-06-06 22:21:00 UTC
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Right. Was just concerned, thanks.
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Not really a flamewar. by
on 2009-06-06 22:20:00 UTC
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Wars require at least two participants, and generally go beyond one salvo (otherwise it's a pretty short war). :P
hS
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Oh so agreed (nm) by
on 2009-06-06 22:11:00 UTC
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Fanfic recommendations by
on 2009-06-06 22:05:00 UTC
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So, if I could be permitted to give us a break from the unfolding wank over in that other thread, I was wondering what some of The Board's favorite goodfic are. Anyone want to share?
Me, I showed you one of them a while back, and I'm also particularly fond of this guy's stuff: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/574797/Cyber_Commander. He writes next-generation Yugioh fics with a very nice feel to them.
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I was snarking. by
on 2009-06-06 21:56:00 UTC
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Jeez. No need to get so mad. Just because I think Sara's thesis was "decent" as opposed to "excellent" does not mean I dislike her, or you, or anyone else here. It's called a differing opinion.
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My Perspective by
on 2009-06-06 21:49:00 UTC
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As I haven't really been around, the main thing I have to offer is the point of view of a (sort of) oldbie who has recently returned, and therefore is able to offer a fairly accurate perspective of what has changed.
Unfortunately, I'm going to have to agree with Sara on many of your points. As I've been desperately been trying to catch up with things via wiki, the number of "emergencies" is overwhelming. From what I can see, everybody wants to be able to say "my character was there when..." and the fact is, not everybody is going to be internetfamous all the time. I've also noticed the trend of increasingly Sueish agents, which is a problem. As Sara pointed out, these are supposed to be regular people doing a job that they care about. It's difficult, it's frustrating, the food is awful and the pay is low. We do it because we love canon.
Also, something everybody may want to keep in mind; fellow PPC'ers are not the only ones reading your missions. As I've been recently reminded, my old (not particularly good or original I realise) PPC fanfictions drew a good handful of people to the PPC who perhaps would otherwise never have heard of it. As I've been trying to catch up on what's been going on, something I've noticed is that your stories are SO full of in-jokes and PPC drama that anybody who isn't heavily involved in the PPC is probably going to very quickly lose interest.
Hopefully this thread doesn’t disintegrate into a massive, pointless flame war. I feel that Sara has brought up some very valid points which are worth looking into and discussing.
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I'm gonna be nice... by
on 2009-06-06 21:44:00 UTC
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And give you about eight hours or so before I reply to that.