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I never thought to look in the last known issue. Yeah though, I'd always assumed he was made by Starwind and thus whoever wanted to use him needed her permission, hence my comment earlier in this thread.

... I doubt Starwind had any plans for him. She wasn't really much of a one for plans.

I've checked, and the only people to contribute to the second issue in which he appeared (issue 14) were Tawaki, Gandalf the Beige, and, well, me. And I know I didn't come up with him.

hS

I only know the new series. May have to look into that.

Not sure whether the Sue actual said she was a Gallifreyan (would have to look up the fic again). I think the agents assumed it when she called herself a Time Lord. Tasmin then argued she could not be a Time Lord, because she had not received that gift from the Gallifreyans (That gift indeed leaves open the possibility for non-Gallifreyan Time Lords).

It's basically inexcusable fail and You Fail Logic Forever blending seamlessly into pure Grade-A facepalm. And the fact that it's true shows just how far human ignorance and prejudice can go, given the chance.

It also irks me that many people react the way you described. My stance is 'If you're gay, and you try anything funny with me, I will clock you on the head a bit and leave. If you don't, then I'll treat you the exact same way I would treat a straight friend/enemy/normal associate/dumb jerk, whichever the case may be', basically. Gay people are people. Straight people are people. Doesn't matter who they're after.

-Buta, who is also way past his bedtime

wouldn't it be better to use the character instead of letting it be forgotten?

Although I was under the impression that non-Gallifreyan Time Lords were possible...

She did end up rather covered in Silly String as a result, though, and shook herself, reaching up to pull some of it off. "Say, what do we do when those run out?" she asked.

"Clean off?" Leas suggested, now wearing several colours of Silly String and blinking rather owlishly.

Good luck with that.

Well, I suppose I'd better stick my hand up and say I don't think it's weird in the slightest. Mind you, I wouldn't call myself straight. Pansexual celibate, maybe, in the manner of Stephen Fry.

My brother's decidedly straight, but also doesn't find homosexuality weird at all. This, I think, is because he ran Scientific tests at the age of sixteen, involving getting drunk and snogging a lot of people. The kissing he was fine with, but then a bloke shoved his hand down my brother's pants and he realised it really didn't do anything for him. And I can't fault him for that.

I can't believe people still get away with spouting this sort of nonsense about homosexuality being something that should be kept away from 'normal' people.

Here's me. I'm straight (well, probably logically what I am is just someone who hasn't found a member of the same sex attractive *yet* :P). I'm engaged. When I get married, I will find myself with (to all intents and purposes) three mothers-in-law - my partner's mother, her ex-partner who helped raise my partner and is acknowledged by him as his second mother, and his mother's current partner who has recently given birth to my partner's adoptive half-brother. Yes, it's a confusing wee family tree, but they are a happy, stable family. I go round to visit and to cuddle my brand-new almost-half-brother-in-law and it's like being in any other family home. It's not that much different than going round to see my friend (who is a single mother) and cuddle my godson.

Thing that really gets me, right, is that people happily interact with people of the opposite sex all day long without worrying that they're being eyed up. But tell them that someone of the same sex who they're interacting with is gay, and they suddenly start getting worried that they're going to get jumped in the locker-room, as it were.

When I was a girl guide, we had one (1) male leader. He was gay. He was not allowed to supervise us unless a female leader was around at all times (which sort of defeated the purpose of having him as we were really short on leaders at that point in time). For some reason a large number of the mothers got it into their heads that because he was a GAY MAN he automatically wanted to molest their TEENAGE DAUGHTERS.

Wtf? The logic, I see it not. They eventually got him kicked out, I might add.

But then again I get angry at things like national stereotypes and other kinds of sweeping judgements against large groups of people, so perhaps this is all just part of that.

- Trojie, half an hour past her bedtime and it's showing ...

If the guy's not aiming to get my pants off, it's fine. I probably wouldn't notice if a gay guy was checking me out, as you said.

For me, being gay's more of... well, not weird, but just not my thing. It's more of a 'Being gay is normal, but I'm not gay, and it doesn't make a difference anyway unless a guy tries to bed me' thing. I'm fine with anyone who has a decent personality regardless of orientation, usually.

On that last bit, true. Apparently, my country just got a lot of very noticeably weird people thrown in.

By "go after" you do you mean actively trying to get in your pants even though you're straight or simply checking you out and finding you attractive? I can see you being upset by the first one but the second one isn't really the gay person's fault and it shouldn't be a problem. Unless you think all the unrequited crushes you've had over the course of your life were unfair to the girl and meant something was wrong with you. You probably wouldn't even notice, anyway. Most people don't.

I guess being more comfortable with heterosexuality makes sense but it's a little annoying to find that practically everyone agrees that being gay is "weird", even if they don't say it's bad.


Also, lots of heterosexual people are strange. Very very strange. Crazy strange. Others aren't.

I kept loosing my notes on this mission, but now it is finished, I'm here to plug it: My Immortal
It's a Torchwood mission, with a rather badly chosen title. I don't know who the "my" refers to. It's either how the Sue feels about Jack, or the author about the Sue.

I just google-imaged 'questing beast' and got shedloads of pics that are decidedly old-looking and not at all BBC Merlin, so I'll happily believe you :)

I think they'll make a neat mini - who WOULDN'T want a miniature leopard/cobra hybrid?

For one, it takes the fun out of things, out of guessing.

Two, you don't know if whoever originally came up with the Mystery Assassin had anything planned for them.

As I was thinking of that, I realized that I completely forgot just where I heard of it. Pretty sure there was at least one mention of King Pellinore trying to skewer an undescribed Questing Beast of some sort, in some story I read quite a while back. I'd guess a little digging around about the beast might turn up something useful.

you should see most (if not all) of the HP Twilight crossovers out there. *shudders*

~Zoe~

Do you have an alternate form of email, or IM system, or a way to get one of the two mentioned? It seems best to contact you that way, so I'm trying to figure out how we can manage it.

Drat, I don't have either. Can you spoiler text here?

However, not everything was all mapped out nice and shiny. I did have an appearance in mind for him, though, beneath the mask. Do you have a gmail or MSN? We can discuss our ideas on it, I think we could actually work together on these plot ideas to make a pretty neat result, with all the ideas that've been running around in my head. That is, if you're interested. Thought us cooperating on it would be better than unintentionally working against each other. I enjoy reading your missions, it'd be a pleasure getting the chance.

Because I already had an identity planned for him... Were you planning on revealing it?

"Should" is such a horrible word in that it means someone is wrong not to do one thing or the other. I don't think that's what Joe was saying anyway, though.

I certainly agree that Western culture doesn't help matters; everything from gender-specific clothing shops to 'sexy' pairs of models reinforces the message that everything is about the differences between people, and that's horrible. Even knowing tht, homosexuality does make me a bit uncomfortable - I have three female friends who are to some degree either bisexual or lesbian, and it's hard not to be aware of that a lot of the time, but the degree to which they choose to display it is none of my business.

I was working under the assumption that that meant she had to be asked, but I'm not actually certain. I've actually been planning on using him myself, but the inability to contact her has been a hindrance.

I actually had no idea he was anyone's specific property. as far as I know, he's only appeared in the Multiverse Monitor, so I thought he sort of belonged to everyone.