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"What I want to know is if they plan to remake the original series."

Last time I checked, Wikipedia mentioned nothing about it, so it may have been cancelled, but this film was meant to kick off a new TV show. It would have been set far, far away from the Enterprise, but it would have been TOS era.

"(And yeah, why did no one start this thread sooner? *is puzzled*)"

I just figured that it had been done to death already so I didn't make it myself.

I will admit that it was better than anything I could have possibly dreamed of. None of the pre-release trailers/interviews/whatever inspired confidence in me because they seemed to mess up Canon completely with bad time travel. The plot as a whole, though, removed those doubts. It was awesome.

Of course, it had a smegload of plotholes in and the second I get the DVD release, I'll be writing a list of them. Every. Last. One. Including the fact that they probably killed Tuvok and/or his family, thereby messing around with Voyager. They also ruined Unification Parts I and II.

As for the mini-miniskirts, this has made me laugh much as I try to watch TOS. Seriously, I'm not even sure if they're wearing skirts. It actually does seem to be underwear and a shirt a lot of the time. And I laugh loudly every time I think this. For all the great equality and enlightenedness of Starfleet, they sure do love to humiliate their female officers. (And 60s TV has nothing to do with it. The least they could have done was give them midi-skirts like actual female military officers wear nowadays).

And what exactly is the Evil Overlord List? I've heard vague things about it, but nothing helpful.

(not that I ever went there), does that mean the forum might not be far behind?

And the parts I've read made me immediately think 'PPC' for some reason.

My account got half-drained on Friday thanks to Star Trek and a game I'd preordered (down £76 in an hour). In three weeks, I'll be drained again when I buy the DSi to play said game. Then, every few weeks, I'll be spending more money on Xbox games. I suck with money. I wish I sucked at games too. Maybe they'd last me longer then.

I'm excellent at both archery and rifle shooting. The Coriolis effect will undoubtedly mess up my aim for the water sniper rifle, but I might get someone.

At Odeon they've a trailer for the upcoming summer of films, featuring clips from various ones. It's got Spock crouched down immediately after being beamed onto Vulcan. It's only for a second or so, and it's only after seeing the film three times that I've realised no, they're not trying to blag my head by putting clips from TOS in there, that is actually new!Spock.

Fourth time today. (Glods bless Odeon and its cheap Tuesdays - I'd happily go alone but this way I get to attempt to convert friends.)

It is amazing. I went in with middling expectations and not much idea of what it was going to be about. Didn't even have a clue who they'd cast, except Simon Pegg. We went for the last showing of the day, and at the end of the end credits my friend and I both bemoaned the fact that we couldn't see it again until the next day. And I have rapidly become obsessed.

If it were fic, depends how well it were written. Could be done either way. A good writer could've done a good job, but I'd've been seeing the old characters. This way I've finally (semi-unwillingly) got rid of my dislike for Kirk, and have, er, turned into a bit of a rabid fan.

The women always wore short skirts in TOS. It was the 60s. Dax had to wear one on DS9 when they went back to TOS era, it was ace.

Of course it's freezing, you mad woman, it was, until quite recently, HAIL! Which is, y'know, frozen water!

*drags Sedri back down with her*

Are we going to need treatment for hypothermia after this?

Don't worry, there are very few parallels, apart from the Sue-hunting thing. The CRI's primary job is to fix reality distortions rather than actually destroying the Sues (where possible, they actually 'un-Sue' them if they can) and they don't go Sue-hunting from actual fanfic either. Really, Sue-hunting is a bit more background, to the point where I may actually change it to something more accessible to a wider audience. Like, say, Mad Scientists...

My first thread on the subject was more a plea for review and criticism, but this is more a proper discussion.

I have, from early in my stories development, planned to integrate certain spiritualist elements into it: the nature of the Allspark, a different (but not heinously uncanonical) interpretation of Starscreams character as half power-seeker and half religous fanatic and, more recently, what it would really mean to have a god born into a human body... a god that had been mostly instinctual in it's action until then (though the question of it's actual level of sentience is debated).

Since then, I have become a casual, CASUAL mind you, fan of the Dune Universe. The Kwiatz Haderach, the Abomination and several other bits of Bene Gesserit lore intrigue me (and I intend to add them as small but meaningful bits of argument between characters). The guys who make the government codenames, as I said, are Dune fantics and have a "sick sense of humour". However, I am unsure of one more bit of tie-in that I am pondering, anf I wonder if it would be too Blatant.

In short, Frenzy will (eventually), be revealed to be the last known member of a semi-collective species of "Cybertroid" life form. Him and others like him have no central spark and normally have borderline plant level intelligence (thank you Mr. Soundwave). But they came together on their native world to feed off geothermal energy below the surface, travelling in great, burrowing masses to move from fault to fault, vent to vent. Their waste product: tiny blue crystals that still held incredible amounts of residuaal, refined energy: Energon.

Now, as someone will say, he is a Trout without his Worm, foundering in a sea of sand.

I speak in riddles, But am I being too obvious, even for Dune virgins?

*surfaces like a WHALE*

RAAAAARGH! *dunks Sedri*

*shoves Trojie into the cold water*

I've loved Star Trek: TNG, DS9, and Voyager, but I saw a few episodes of the Kirk series (and the newer Enterprise one) and just didn't like it. Too young, I guess; it felt contrived. So I went in with fairly low expectations.

They're sort of... gone, now. :D

I think that time-travel was the only reasonable way to make a movie like this without having it nit-picked to death by obsessed fans, and with that in mind, they did a really good job. I think we have to bear in mind that these Professional Scripwriters don't know crud about derivative writing like we do - we've seen how horrible it can be and are jaded by iffy but can-be-done-well concepts like time travel AUs. When that particular revelation came in the film, I grinned and thought something like, YES! That works everything out!

Of course, that gave them leave to demolish Vulcan, which made me very, very unhappy.

I don't like the womens' uniforms either - I would NEVER wear one - but it has the excuse of a 60s canon, so... *shrug*

As for Spock/Uhura, the most volitle issue... it didn't bother me, but if they'd left it out I would've been just fine. The sense of Uhura being put in a relationship because she's the only lead woman is annoying, and as far as I see, they could've picked Sulu or Scotty as easily as Spock, and only chose the latter because he's the most important character. It could've been worse. Actually, I went looking for Spock/Uhura fics to see if any fanfic writer out there could sell me the pairing. So far, they haven't, but maybe they would be more likely to if I found Spock as attractive as the fanbase does.

Nero... wouldn't think of himself as an Evil Overlord, but that aside; no, definitely not. He made many classic mistakes.

If it were a fic, I would caution the author to be more traditional, but then, that is my style, and it has been done quite well. Admittedly, the music and the great visuals hit me a lot more strongly than a description of the bridge as being "clean and white", or whatever.

(And yeah, why did no one start this thread sooner? *is puzzled*)

It was great, and I think the reboot/AU idea is fantastic, because it's going to give the whole Trekverse a new lease of life.

If it was a fic I would applaud it!

The girls having no pants is standard Trek - it is the FUTURE! Therefore we wear skimpy skintight clothing BECAUSE THAT IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE! (and presumably those who wanted to wear baggy pants were burnt at the stake, or something, I dunno) :P

Time-travel ... good or bad, is hardly a *new* thing in Trek ... Voyager, anyone?

No, he hasn't seen it. But then, if he'd seen it, he might have won, and THEN where would we be? O.o

I believe that was supposed to be an open-cast mine, rather than a canyon. I know, it got me too the first time I saw the film. I was all 'wtf, enormous cliffs?' and then the second time I took notice of the whole chainlink fence and stuff and went 'OH! it's a mine!'

Cheers for the tip :P

- Trojie, still wildly overexcited about this movie and therefore jumping up and down and being giggly and OTT.

Character-driven is good. Don't shy away from that. Just make sure that whatever you show about and between the characters has bearing on the story as a whole. It's easy to get dragged off on tangents when the characters lead the way.

~Neshomeh, speaking from experience.

I really enjoyed the movie. Like you, I don't know enough about the original series to make a detailed comparison, but it did sound like everything was explained by the "time travel creates AU" thing. Which is really awkward as a plot device. But still.

What I want to know is if they plan to remake the original series. Some of you might be having aneurysms at the thought, but give me a minute. We have better technology now. We have better science, better special effects, and, let's face it, better plot devices than "Kirk gets the girl." We come armed with the knowledge of how the five-year mission goes, so we have the potential for a series with more scientific intelligence and better internal consistency. This could be really cool. I just don't know if anyone is actually planning this, or if they could carry it off.

I'd probably watch it just to see what happens to it.

If the movie were a fic, it would depend entirely on the quality of the writing. If it's well-written, there's no reason for us to bother with it.

~Neshomeh, who decided that if Leonard Nimoy is okay with it, then so is she.

I did spend the whole movie reminding myself that Spock is not going to slice people's heads open. I thought the actor did a good job, though. I thought he was the closest to the original of all of them.

~Neshomeh

Just the day before I'd noticed the lilacs and thought about what day it was, but I was busy doing some much-needed housecleaning today. (Well, technically yesterday now.) I do know where all my towels are, though, because a fair bit of my time was spent washing them in the laundry. {= )

~Neshomeh, taking what she can get.

Also, make sure that any parallels with the PPC aren't carried too far (there can be too much of a good thing) and that the story can stand on its own ends.