Subject: That's even more spectacular...
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Posted on: 2016-11-09 16:57:00 UTC
... than the Brexit/demographics charts.
Does your source break it down into other groups, or is it just the 18-25s?
hS
Subject: That's even more spectacular...
Author:
Posted on: 2016-11-09 16:57:00 UTC
... than the Brexit/demographics charts.
Does your source break it down into other groups, or is it just the 18-25s?
hS
... That La Stein (who, like so many scientifically-illiterate elderly white women, thinks vaccines cause autism and homeopathy is a solution to all one's problems) originally had the goal set as $2mn. Only to move the goalposts at three o'clock in the morning. Slightly shady.
Still, I'll take "slightly shady" over "Christ on a pedalo, how has Der Cheetofuhrer not been impeached yet?" any day of the week. =]
Whether she files in Wisconsin, that is.
The reasoning currently on the page - that $2.2 million is needed purely in filing fees, $2.5 million should cover everything for Wisconsin, and $6-7 million ought to do everything - seems valid to me. Any idea what it originally said? Because either of those first two would make an initial goal of $2.5 million make sense.
hS
I don't remember this line; which book is it from? Is it the Germania?
I did read De vita Agricolae, but the (Hebrew) translation I read refers to that word as "desolation".
Of course, Calgacus kinda lost, didn't he? The Roman Empire fell just short of three hundred years after he lost Mons Graupius.
Quoting (and translating from Hebrew) what my friend said, "the word is solitudo which can mean both 'desolation' and 'desert' (in the 'there aren't any people there' sense). The original meaning is 'a lack of people or things around'."
To go bother my friend who's in Classical Studies and ask him whether he had the chance to read Agricola in the original language and whether he has any interesting insights into this particular passage.
On one hand, he seems like a great candidate. On the other hand, Bender and HK-47 are already set to run. Now the robot vote will be split! Curse you, First Past the Post!
In the name of an eternal supply of your alcoholice beverage called bear and a spot as Vice President, Bender accepted to join me to destroy all the meatbags of this country.
Veiled Threat: I recommend that Sir Killalot join our team, or it could become a target in the crossfire between us and the meatbags.
Statement: Once we acquire this office, all the meatbags of this ...ry will learn fear...
After the election, my girlfriend's (adoptive, white) parents tried to reassure her by saying that at least she wasn't in any personal danger, since Trump's supporters weren't attacking Asian-Americans. Claims of attacks on Asian-Americans are already starting to come in.
--Key is scared
No one- not one member of his administration- has, to my knowledge, stepped forward to protest against his supporters actions.
No one has said this isn't what they want, no one has advocated for peace. Trump has yet to distance himself from the violent outbreaks in any way.
And some people think this isn't what he wants?
Day one: Brother comes home saying kids were storming through the hallways, chanting "TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!" No fewer than five different fights broke out over the election.
Day two: Hispanic students harassed in the cafeteria to chants of "Build the wall! Build the wall!"
Day three: Someone put sticky notes on a wall of lockers to spell out the N-word. He also got asked about his "dyke sister". Good to know that's how my old bandmates remember me.
You can damn well be sure I'm going.
There's a petition right now that's an attempt to sway the electoral college.
I would like to know, what were the most important issues to you?
I have a particular vested interest in LGBT+ rights, especially once Pence was announced as Trump's running mate. Now that he's VP elect... Well, it looks like progress is going to end up getting set back quite a bit unless we fight it.
-Ix, still hoping for a different outcome in December
/a little typo-based levity in a dark time
~Neshomeh, who also cares about all those things.
Is it because he recognized the reference and approves? Possibly, but I think this answer is too easy. Perhaps I am meant to think this.
Could it be that Jebboy is an agent of the Lizard People from the center of the Earth? More investigation is needed.
-Phobos "The Question" Phobosson
The bad news is, Trump won. The good news is, I have a day off school to mourn.
I apologize that I did not make it clearer from the beginning that I was not equating being gay and being racist.
I did not mean to offend anyone with my example, so to everyone I offended: I'm sorry.
(Let's pretend I hit that "post reply" button a sentence too soon back there.)
In practice… hate speech is almost never prosecuted. KKK parades tend to go unarrested and unfined, as do people talking in public about how other races are sick/dirty/evil. The baker who refused the KKK member would probably be in more hot water for it than the jerk requesting the cake, regardless of all. We do love our first amendment in this country (so long as we're on the side of those exercising it, and it doesn't involve the flag or the pledge or the anthem or a non-anthem patriotic song or celebrities doing it or people blocking traffic or in any way inconveniencing others).
Sigh. I begin to understand why my lawyer friend drinks so much.
Well, we still don't have to stand for it. If they're allowed their speech, we're allowed ours, and we'll just have to be louder and more persistent.
~Neshomeh
This is probably the most offensive thing I have seen said about gay people since Jacer was here. Desdendelle's comments can be attributed to ignorance, but I assume you are American and therefore should know better. Especially since the KKK targets gay people too. You are literally comparing the oppressed to their oppressors and honestly the only reason I sound so calm about it is because there's a word filter on the board.
Because I guess I have a bit more spleen to vent, since I can't stop thinking about this clip from Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, featuring Bill Nye the Science Guy. It's just too apropos and also funny. A bit NSFW due to language, though. It's HBO, after all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg
~Neshomeh
Des, uh, the KKK is a hate group, officially classified as a domestic terrorist organisation. It's... a bit different refusing service to someone who's openly a member of it.
Most of the google search results for "KKK domestic terrorist organisation" are things that say "why isn't the KKK designated as a domestic terrorist organisation", so I conclude that no, it's not officially classified as one. It's a hate group yes, but hate isn't illegal. You cannot discriminate against someone because of what's basically their feelings — you can only prosecute hate groups when they break the law. Until a Klansman breaks the law, he's a citizen like you and should be afforded the same rights not to be discriminated against or denied service. There's little difference between denying a Klansman service and denying a "kill all men" feminist service.
How is saying "we don't welcome people who belong to white supremacist organizations here" a bad thing?
Are we seriously just gonna... ignore what started this? Why are we ignoring somebody comparing refusing service to queer peeps to the kkk. How are we not addressing this?
wait are we seriously just gonna... ignore what started this? Why are we ignoring somebody comparing refusing service to queer peeps to the kkk. How are we not addressing this?
Using sockpuppets? Really? You are aware that your IP shows up in the posts you make, right?
I'm done arguing with you because you obviously cannot argue in good faith.
We're living together. I had my two cents.
For calling you a sockpuppet.
However I'm not continuing this argument.
(I'm only here momentarily, don't count on many posts after this.)
As someone who lives with the KKK as a very real threat to their daily lives, and who is quickly having their rights taken away by the conservative right, is that if you're going to disrespect or violate my civil rights, I am certainly not going to respect you or your desires. Respect gas to be mutually earned, it is not automatically owed
Two things, actually.
1) Philosophy-wise — hell, common-sense-wise — demanding that someone will adhere to a certain principle, be it human or civil rights or anything else, while not adhering to it yourself is textbook hypocrisy.
2) Reality-wise... America is a ...ed-up place. Democratic, my foot. I'm glad I don't live there.
You've just received a perfect case study. DC Restaurant Apologizes After Hosting Alt Right Neo Nazi Dinner with Sieg Heil Salute.
And the thing was then published to Twitter (if I'm reading this right?), which definitely puts it in the higher end of DJ's scale.
The key point here is that you live in a country Unfair dismissal is allowed at all. Because that is spectacularly dystopian.
Seriously. Seriously.
hS
You were correct two paragraphs in: "I assumed that you'd just been misled by Fox News and the like." Take, for example, the YouTube link I've posted. I would not call hearing opinions from those who have done their research "complete ignorance". All I said was that I have not done any reading firsthand of the literature--and I suspect that the same is true of most of the Board. We are not all scientists.
...I appreciate that you're listening to those of us who are. But do keep in mind that you should be checking the opinions of multiple people who have done their research, rather than just one. That reduces your risk of confirmation bias. :-)
Just, please, SoH, read what I replied to Neshomeh further up the thread. Alaska has been hit. Hard. And will continue to be. Bet please, tell me it's just a hoax or overreaction.
...I can use xkcd, And RationalWiki. And other actual scientific bodies.
If you reject actual science in favour of YouTube conspiracy theorists, I see no reason to entertain any of your other views, regardless of their merit.
And of course an HTML fail rears its ugly head. There are two links: one to the NPV homepage, and one to a YoouTube video. The second link is at the words "this video".
Kindly do not talk to me again.
I read an interesting Cracked article on the subject a little while back, provocatively titled "How Half of America Lost its F**king Mind." Phobos was quick to poke holes in its arguments, but I still think it's worth thinking about. For reasons right or wrong, people feel incredibly threatened, and that just sucks. What can we do to make it better so this doesn't happen ever again?
~Neshomeh
Seems like we won't get nuclear fallout immediately after all. Just don't panic.
Here is how the 18-25 voted for this election:
I guess you can have hope for the future of the country at least.
That dataa seems to have come from a survey that was made with Survey Monkey. So, you know. Not exactly a professional poll. I'm not saying this map is useless, I'm just saying, use a grain of salt.
Like I said, I copied it from Discord, where Matt posted it. Hope she's at least relatively close of truth.
... than the Brexit/demographics charts.
Does your source break it down into other groups, or is it just the 18-25s?
hS
Matt posted it on Discord, so if there are more like this somewhere, he will be the one who can say it.
We may have taken two steps back, but hey, a half step forward is still moving forward. It's still kinda sad that we'll have to wait two more years to try and take another half step, though.
You've only elected one black woman to the Senate before now?!
hS
Racism (not to mention sexism) didn't die with the civil rights movement, it was just driven underground. It speaks in code and acts in the name of the "war on drugs," among other smokescreens.
Apparently sadness and anger makes me want to be poetic. Ugh. >.<
~Neshomeh
I voted later in the day. The turnout was remarkable. According to poll workers this was the largest turn out ever in our precinct. I stayed up all night watching the election and saying "holy crap" every few minutes. I still feel like this election is unreal.
Was because of how outlandish everything in 2016 has already been. If there was ever a year where the Electoral College was going to go sideways, this would be the year.
And maybe, if we're proposing things that probably won't happen soon happen (except in Maine! Go Maine!), adding more seats to the House.
but also know that the fears of the rest of the Board do have some basis in fact. Neither of us would have voted for Trump in the primaries, and correct me if I misspeak, but I believe that we both must admit that our main source of relief is not that Trump won, but that Clinton lost.
Trump looks like he's going to appoint Ben Carson as Secretary of Education. A Young Earth Creationist.
Hooray.
He's cutting Education funding anyway, right? So Carson won't be able to do anything.
hS, silver lining (which is probably toxic metals)
..from what I hear, Trump intends to increase spending in education. So yeah. :-(
It is not basically slander, accusing someone of a crime is under US Law Defamation Per-Se. Usually that means they would not even need to prove damages to win on that. Now as Secretary Clinton is a public figure, such comments would need to have been made with actual malice, which is an incredibly high standard to meet. But as this is a board posting it would actually be libel not slander. But other than they name the two forms of defamation are the same.
And I agree seriously, it seems America forgot that whole innocent until proven guilty with regards to Secretary Clinton. For her it apparently has been guilty until proven innocent beyond all doubt.
I knew you'd show up with the correct terms at some point. ^_^
Forgive me if I don't share your relief.
Because ewwww trans.
*scowls*
I'm seriously considering going back into the closet in real life because I don't want to deal with the prejudice that's already springing out from the carpet under which we swept it.
Even if it was 15 years ago, I remember when her father went to the second turn. I remember that, while the first turn was a massive failure thanks to the polls, the ducker was kept out of the presidential office.
I refuse to believe his girl can win just 15 years after that. Unless both of Sarkozy and Hollande are present, and one of them is the one for the second turn. And let me tell you, they're far from there.
I guess the best we can do now is try to make our feelings known during the midterm elections in 2018. For now, though, I hope Trump is merely an incompetent buffoon, and not the reason we have a World War 3.
Apparently there are a lot of people here that are either outright racist/xenophobic/etc. or willing to tolerate extreme levels of that sort of thing. I don't really want to think that we're not upholding the values we claim to share.
I'm also a bit horrified that the racist cheeto might actually start a nuclear war, since he didn't seem to get the Mutually Assured Destruction concept during his campaign.
(and also we can't learn from history, since we basically elected something like a fascist, with a theocrat for VP)
have shown you that despite my initial poor choice in sources, I should be taken seriously.
As for Alex Jones, I honestly had no idea who he was before your post, nor that he was a noted conspiracy theorist. I do not travel in those circles. My older brother (who is no conservative) shared that video on Facebook, and I, proud as I am about my heritage, already prone to believing the worst about Clinton, and ignorant of who was doing the talking, took it as incontrovertible truth. I know that that is no excuse for not having done more digging into who it was that I was listening to, but at least you now have some context.
Yes, it was Director Comey who first recommended that Clinton not be prosecuted. However, the final decision on whether to prosecute belongs to the Attorney General (who is the head of the Justice Department), not the head of the FBI.
So in my haste (the post was made at 11:16 PM New York time), I wrongly truncated the facts.
The point that I wanted to make was that even though there were possible grounds for a prosecution, it appeared that the fix was in to ensure that Clinton would get away scot-free.
When there are grounds for prosecution, yet the relevant authorities decide not to prosecute — for example, because they estimate that the case cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Not every decision not to prosecute is corrupt.
"A woman who didn't do the things you think she did lost to a man who did do all the things you're pretending he didn't."
I just... I feel kind of numb right now, actually.
Hasn't really sunk in yet.
England, I hope you've got room for one more, because I'm getting out of here as soon as I can.
We've decided to be xenophobic ourselves, so I'm sure we'll be starting on that coastal wall any day now.
On the other side, you're not brown talks funny believes crazy things dresses differently dangit, what's the word the wrong sort of person, so maybe you'll get in after all.
hS
Sure, they're still United Kingdom for now, but you can hope they secede and remain inside the UE. Or maybe Ireland...
To be quite honest do not get upset at everyone who didn't vote. Quite frankly some of them couldn't.
It sucks but it's the truth.
Though ... THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED THE ...ING DEAD APE THEY HAD NO EXCUSE!
I'm reminded of how people in Russia voted for Pikachu because they were so upset with the government as it was. I get it, people, you're upset and all. But really, what part of working with what you've got do you not understand? Sometimes the choice we have to make isn't what we want, but that is no reason to pull such a dick move out of pure spite.
I can understand if there was no way you could vote, but sending in a joke candidate just to flip off every candidate in the running is Not Cool in any way, and would more than likely give the majority vote to the candidate with the biggest vote tally e.g. Trump. It's like they say, those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.
No transportation,illness and injury,felony charges remove someone's right to vote(Which is bs),forced to be at work or else they would of been fired,unable to register,had their resignation voided for some reason,there are many legit reasons.
I almost couldn't thanks to a panic attack. I was lucky that they let me re enter the line.
Some of those are legit; some of them are frankly horrifying. But I take your point.
However, mine also still stands: I am frankly furious at the people who had every chance of voting, but just couldn't be bothered.
hS
I'm just saying don't lump everyone who couldn't with everyone who just plan didn't.
I wrote that message at like 4 in the morning, during my initial bout of anger and sleeplessness. Looking at what everyone else has said, I've come to realize that as bad as this situation is, there is still hope for recovery in the future. And of COURSE I regret my earlier post, for all sorts of reasons.
I was shortsighted and irrational last night, and for that I will have no further say on this for both my sake and that of everyone else. I just hope we all can learn from this and, you know, don't make an even worse mistake.
If we survive the next four years, we can 'trust' Trump and his cronies for utterly destroying any credibility for the far right, whatever the country.
Hardric, trying to grasp any straw in this madness.
And yeah, you need the changes. This system was thought for a country too vast for knowing quickly the results, and that stopped to be a problem a long time ago.
Direct universal suffrage is sorely needed. And several turns of election to make sure nobody goes in this Oval Office without the majority of the country behind them.
Both of these decisions were a moment of monumental stupidity, that no sane person having done a minimum of research would have taken.
We can only hope these idiots don't drag down the world with them, and that with each new failure of them, their position in public opinion will be utterly destroyed.
Authoritarianism or Despotism. And I am deeply concerned about what happens next. If Mr. Trump follows through on even half of his promises, this deeply disturbing. I mean lets look at it, prosecuting his political opponents, categorically banning an entire religious group, mass deportations, splintering of families, and the like. I hope he moderates his position, but he has moderated as of yet, and I see no reason why he will with all branches of government under his party's control.
I'm sure there must be a word for it - a specific word for the American political system, where it must(?) have happened before.
Believe me, if I wanted to make jibes about 'one-party state' and the like, I could come up with them all by myself.
hS
They even gave out these nifty stickers!
My voting station didn't have stickers. At least I rewarded myself with a library stop afterwards.
Early vote-by-mail really is the way to go. It took me almost an entire off day to look up all the candidates and get the voting done, but doing the research is critical.
—doctorlit judges the judges
Now, if you''ll excuse me, I'm going back to sleep. 5:30 is too early to be waling up no matter the reason.
And maybe when I wake up, 2016 will he over... /sigh