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Sometimes, two or more people choose to "mop the floor" together. It's perfectly normal and natural for consenting adults to "mop the floor" together. However, it's important to choose the proper "cleaning solution" when "mopping the floor" with others, to ensure everyone is safe and comfortable while "mopping." "Mops" are rather delicate instruments, as is the "floor." It's best to avoid damage to the "mop" and the "floor," as they are both notoriously difficult to replace.

And then we can basically keep the remaining explanations and lists the same, just changing some words. For example, that first description becomes:
Lubricants can be dubious for several different reasons. The most important reason for a lubricant to be deemed dubious is that it would not, in fact, function (or function efficiently for the speed at which "mopping the floor improperly" usually occurs) as a lubricant.

And uh, yeah. Let's see FANDOM get all worked up over "mopping floors!"

—doctorlit isn't sure whether he's insulting mops or "mops" more by this comparison

I think of the unclaimed list as a wishlist for those who want to see a fic missioned but either don't want to write a mission themselves or can't (not having Permission etc.)

It didn't occur to me that that would be on the user page, for some reason. Welp, thanks for letting me know! I do think the archive having its own page would make sense for easier searchability but I also completely understand that being a low priority, both in terms of life and in terms of the current doings.

I might also have a look at Not There, which I think could be made less explicit, hopefully enough to avoid problems.

Neshomeh's Archive (my personal PPC site) is linked from my user page, all my agents' pages, anywhere else my missions are referenced... If you mean I should make a wiki article for it... I suppose I should. There are just so many other things higher on my to-do list.

There's also PPC: The Lost Tales (which I administer). It has its own article already. If you've read the Original Series, you've been there before. {= )

~Neshomeh

I agree that it's hilarious, and the suggestion on plausible alternatives is quite interesting. Historical fun facts woo! I might ask- would it be plausible to link your archive on the wiki? I haven't been on the Board in some time, and I didn't actually know about the archive.

But, like all the Legendary articles, "Cupcakes" should equally be rewritten to discuss the mission, not the badfic. Please feel free to volunteer!

~Neshomeh

Is the main NSFW issue at hand sexuality, or are other topics included too? Checking through the NSFW category and Legendary Badfics, I noted that Cupcakes is on there, and was curious if that might pose a problem and is something we should look into, or if it's fine.

I personally wouldn't mind entirely doing away with the Claimed list, or the Unclaimed list, either—but that's a discussion for another day. (Maybe another month.) Ideally, we should vote about it.

Right now, for Killed Badfic, I reckon we can un-link all badfics, but retain their titles and attributes. Also add an attribute for what site it is (or was) hosted on if we can.

Example:

• "The Joker's Destini" - Fanfiction.net - M rated.

Missions usually contain links to their subjects, anyway.

~Neshomeh

You'll see what happens next chapter, ofc ;)

(This should be the final part.)

This is not our highest priority, but I want to make sure it's on our radar.

There are some pages on the wiki that could be considered NSFW by their nature. Examples include (but are likely not limited to): Dubious Lube, The Mechanics, Not There, Kink, Smut, Incest, Rape, and basically anything else the Department of Bad Slash deal with on a daily basis.

Now, I'm firmly of the opinion that defining a term is never obscene. We should be allowed to discuss what smut is or what kinkfic is as long as we do it in a fairly bland (but still humorous!) way. We should also be allowed to state that there are stories that include these themes, and link to our parodic critiques of said stories. I am willing to die on this hill. If FANDOM are going to limit our discourse that much, then I say we should go elsewhere.

That said, we should at least make an attempt to tone down any pages that currently might stray into too much detail. Keep an eye out for anything you come across and edit accordingly. Ideally, we should end up not needing the NSFW category anymore, because zero pages on the wiki will be NSFW.

And the Dubious Lube page might not be salvageable at all. {= ( I think I could yoink it into Neshomeh's Archive, potentially... I find it amusing and I'm frickin' proud of the "What Can We Use?" section.

Anyway, let me know if you think there are other pages we might need to remove entirely. My radar for this sort of thing is admittedly not very sensitive these days, and it should really be a community decision anyway. {= )

~Neshomeh

I went over the Unclaimed list (despite what my post said originally) and removed explicit works. I'm also currently trying to go over some of the Claimed badfics, both to get rid of NSFW links and old claims.

Are you suggesting we do away the Claimed list entirely? Because honestly... that's not a bad idea. Most of the currently active authors don't seem to use it. The most use it has is preventing some newbie who doesn't know better from missioning My Immortal or Subjugation, or any other well-known fic out of ignorance.

What do you propose we do with all those Killed Badfic links that actually are to fics FANDOM could reasonably object to? Just delete outright?

-Ls

Even the NSFW ones. None of them are actually porn, unlike the fics they spork, so we've got more of a leg to stand on there. Anyway, if FANDOM come down on us for doing the primary function of the wiki, then we really should just pick up our toys and find a more welcoming sandbox.

Snipping the explicit badfics was a good idea, though. Cheers!

I don't think we need to worry about an alternative listing for M+ badfics at this time. We got on without a Claimed list before, we can do it again. Especially since we're less active these days and the number of people who want to tackle M+ fics in the first place is small.

~Neshomeh

That... could work, but I'm assuming Nesh will have put much more thought into this than either of us. (insert smiley emoticon here)

And besides, it's not just badfics. Some PPC fics are NSFW too--and going through all the Killed Badfic lists will be a hecka work.

But, as Nesh has pointed out before in this thread, gdocs has significant limitations--it's much harder to allow good-faith edits while also allowing reverting bad-faith edits.

-Ls

For folks who don't use Discord like me.

If NSFW content can't be linked in FANDOM, perhaps they could be placed on a publically editable gdoc, then posted and pinned on the Discord server. That way, people can post or claim them without having to deal with FANDOM's TOS.

Yeah, you read that right. There a non-numbered version of my namesake PPC Agent who is a character in formally published media.

In World In Danger, a 2.5D indie retro shooter from 2017 whose developer happens to be a friend of mine and I provided some feedback and beta testing for the game (including a concept idea for the mecha that acts as the final boss) As such, I was offered the chance to be a "guest character" of sorts, and of course I asked for said character to be patterned after my old self-insert and later PPC agent.

I later gave the main four character of game a cameo in Black Sprite, to make the cameo mutual.

So, yeah. While WID!Sergio does have only a handful of flavor lines he says if talked with in free-roaming mode, he is a playable character in the "extended roster" secondary lineup. Pretty neat, right?

I'm still afraid the last bit is goign to get the Golden Trio in a lot of trouble.

Here it is

I honestly can never remember the html link code. And my gosh, you are right, that is long.

-Ls

The link I posted is actually stupidly long, because it includes the full text of the entire code for the graph. The only way you can add yourself is by getting a new link (I think it was at top right) and posting it yourself.

Please use HTML or Markup if you do that. I wasn't kidding about stupidly long.

hS

Nesh and I have sort-of collaborated in RPs, and we are doing Heirs of Avalon with Zing, but that's technically non-PPC even if it uses three of our agents.

I guess it's kinda grey-area for me as a cowriter because my method of cowriting is more "I borrow your character and you edit their lines if I mess up", mostly because otherwise things get backburnered forever ;)

And now I'm trying to think about if I ever cowrote with Miss Cam and I guess the closest I've got is enabling her into things in MDZS fandom haha

So first of all, I didn't meant to only respond to this today, honest. Oops.

But anyway, cool to hear the Write Offs are still happening and even cooler to think that there'll be one using my prompts, hopefully it goes well too.

Nova

I'm worried that I just cut it in half.

-Ls

Edit: I went through the Unclaimed list, goshdangit! Doesn't mean I'm not working my way through Claimed too.

As I mentioendi n the past, Agent!Sergio Turbo was actually the second such named character I created,.. and on top of that he's considered the third Turbo ,as I decided to consider a superhero character I had created in kindergarten/first grade (named very originally Super Sergio) the "first Turbo"

I have a fourth (recruited in Keiko's spinoff and renamed Shiro Turbo) and a fifth (from a Bakugai Kyoudai Let's & Go!! fanfiction I started and dropped after a single chapter) from my old shames time as well, and I have effectively created a sixth and seventh through The World Without Authors and its related Mai Dire Fine reboot The Story That Never Ended. Although, since Kath's Timeline!Sergio and TSTNE!Sergio are straight-up alternates of "Third Turbo", I'm not considering him sixth and seventh but 3.1 and 3.2 instead.

Which makes the various incarnations of Sergej Speed, Sergio's evil clone, 3C, 3.1C and 3.2C. I'm gonna need a graph for this... And a character dictionary for TWWA ASAP.