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(Thirty Hs is getting de-linked, though.

-Ls

"I've got that one with Lily," I thought, "I'll put that in-- NOPE. Not completed, not published." It's not even just one, we've got at least two, three if you count the DAS-JIVE article. You cowrite constantly, but because things keep getting bogged down you only appear on the graph in RPs.

... no, you have one other cowrite: with Eileen Alphabet, who otherwise isn't on the table. But if the Troupe was you and Zing, then you can act as a bridge to bring her in! I've snuck you in. Huzzah!

hS

That's definitely me and Zing with the Troupe By Any Other Name folks, then. And I think also firemagic on some of the NMM articles (thinking about the Spock interview, for example).

I guess it's kinda FOMO-inducing for me because I do have cowrites, even in the more traditional sense of the word! But they're all unpublished, haha.

In the context of the old Monitor, to see if I could bring Starwind in.

I decided I couldn't. I feel a cowrite requires two writers to both be able to respond to the other's writings. Something like the Monitor is one way - you could add an editorial commenting on an article, but the article couldn't reflect your editorial. Similarly, I'm not counting the Halloween Cowrite years back, in which we all wrote our own stories and then strung them together afterwards.

Note the "be able to", though. If you're RPing together, you can reply to everyone even if you don't. So I'm saying that if you're in the same collected part of an RP, you cowrite even if you didn't actually interact.

It's all arbitrary, but it's hanging together so far.

(Cowritten articles would count, though!)

EDIT: After a few updates, we have a new longest chain: Jay > Deepy > kippur > Neshomeh > Iximaz > Voyd > Lilac_Lielac > KittyNoodles > SpecstacularSC = 8. Specs was closely linked to KittyNoodles, so it makes sense that he'd be out on the end; though if Lilac or Riese ever wrote with someone with a smaller Thorntree Number than 5 we could trim it down. Don't think I checked Riese yet.

(The no-RPs version is still alarmingly intact - just a couple of new closed loops on Trojie/Pads-Sedri, and Laburnum-kitsune106. Once again in Trojie's case, one of our most prolific writers never seems to have done cowrites.)

hS

Since that could technically count as co-writing, though at least for the NMM it was mostly me compiling everyone's articles...

Six Degrees master document

The graph at the top is a bit out of date at time of posting (computer won't download the new version), but it gives the right effect: a big blob of RP blue, with a halo of cowrite black around it. So you'd assume that if you took the RPs out, the whole thing would become a splintered mess with lots of separate subgraphs, right?

Astonishingly, it doesn't!

The only cowriters who aren't (currently!) linked into the graph are Linstar and Kі nо Shirayuki - everyone else is tied into the network. There's a lot fewer people on the network, because a whole bunch of people are only in through RPs.

In keeping with the original Six Degrees theory, the only person with a Thorntree Number higher than 6 is still Araeph, who just... didn't cowrite apparently? I've also checked IndeMaat today, who also... didn't cowrite? But the whole cluster around Iximaz, Skarm, and Voyd shows how a couple of prolific cowriters can really pull the plot together.

I'm continuing to expand the list, because... I'm still having fun. ^_^ And it's nice to see what an interconnected bunch of reprobates we still are.

hS

SCP-8243: Remember, Remember

Because I'm absolutely fantastic at posting reminders, the planned time caught some folks by surprise (and there were also folks who couldn't make it but thought they could), so, the main round of Write-Off had three entries.

• An untitled entry by eatpraylove (opens .docx download link, hopefully)
• An entry by OrangeFox
• And "Traditions" by Tomash (me)

Thanks to everyone who participated!

Just to make it confusing while I'm 99% certain all the claimed 'fic are under my current name (or were renewed under my current name) there might still be some floating around that were claimed by Storme Hawk. That was me back in the day and I'd like to keep my claims on those too.

Things might be happening with me and a Mission. They might be slow, but they are happening.

Nova

I put this together with kids bouncing around in the background, so it's very much a rough go. I'll fiddle with the structure and the charge list when I get a chance/brain. I just wanted to get something in place. You're lucky the Mission section didn't come out as bullet points!

hS

I agree, a mission page shouldn't be a substitute for reading the mission.

I think it should be a quick reference for the details. And that's why I don't love having the whole charge list as a block quote. ^_^; What about pulling the charges into a bulleted list, ideally with links to pages that discuss the charge in question? Maybe include a brief description of what the fic did to earn the charge, too. That way it's scanable.

I DO like the "Context" section—that can be an aide to people jumping in to read a noteworthy story even if they haven't read the rest of the spin-off. Great idea.

I also like highlighting incidents over giving a full plot breakdown. (My brain was not sure how to do that. Now that I've seen it done, I'll figure it out!)

I'd put "Trivia" above "Links." We probably don't want "here's how to leave the wiki" ahead of "here's more info you might want from the wiki."

Re. Index... yeah, all right. I think ultimately we might want it to link to a spin-off page on the wiki anyway, since so many (like the ones on Gdocs) don't have a dedicated main page of any kind.

~Neshomeh

Not necessarily at you, just want to get ahead of the inevitable impulse I know people tend to have.

There are way too many missions in existence to reasonably have pages for all of them, and most of them won't warrant any special attention anyway. Missions (and other PPC stories) that have pages to themselves should be notable for one reason or another—e.g., they deal with a Legendary, or their target was particularly interesting, or they represent a noteworthy moment in the spin-off's or the PPC's history.

TOS falls into the last category in its entirety because it is TOS, of course. Pages we're converting from Legendary Badfic and Slain Sue pages fall into the first and second categories respectively.

But like, if "The Smasher" weren't an author-requested mission, it probably wouldn't warrant a page. The only other reason it might be considered noteworthy is that it's the first in the spin-off, but even so, it's bog-standard.

And we don't want to end up with an overrepresentation of missions by people who edit the wiki just because they edit the wiki. That's how things got out of whack for us on TV Tropes.

~Neshomeh

I know we've been talking about including longer synopses, but "The Smasher" feels like it's trying to replace the mission report itself. I've always supported the view that the Wiki should not replace reading the mission - it should include enough detail to let you know you're in the right place, and then let you read the source text. For instance, my page on Dafydd describes him and Constance as getting together "in the aftermath of the mass exorcism" - if you want to know how it happened, you need to follow the reference.

So. legolas by laura applies that philosophy to a mission page. I've added Context for stuff which isn't necessarily in the same mission (Dafydd's partnership situation, the one previous Legendary), and Trivia for out-of-universe stuff. I've also explicitly separated out the charge list, and just kept it as a blockquote; and in this case, given the low rating of the badfic, I've put a link in (along with the Fanlore one). The actual Mission section is two short paragraphs.

Is it too short? Maybe. I've actually skipped over the plot of the mission almost entirely, in favour of highlighting incidents that might be of use to another writer (eg, the CAD shutting down when it realises it's in a Legendary). But I don't think a multi-page summary is necessary when the story is right there.

~

On the infobox: is there a reason not to swap "Index" out for "Spinoff" or "Spin-off"? I feel like it's a useful catchall term, and lets people use it for spinoffs that don't have an index page at all (eg one posted on FFn).

hS

First I'm renaming Sue pages into mission pages. I'm not able to actually rewrite them just yet.

I was fortunate enough to have decent sex-ed in my home, but for me, the PPC helped my baby ace brain learn to stop being horribly negative about sexual relationships as a subject of fiction. I have some deeply embarrassing comments about slash 'ships buried in FF.net reviews. ^_^; Not due to homophobia, but general sex-phobia. The Department of Bad Slash taught me there is such a thing as good slash, and by extension good 'ship fic in general.

Baby ace me was definitely scandalized by sexual topics, but without being exposed to that sort of thing, I'd never have grown to have a more tolerant and eventually positive attitude toward other people's sexuality. Or my own, for that matter—a Boarder was the first person to tell me asexuality is a thing.

So yeah, I really don't think it's the Internet's job to censor itself """for the children.""" I think it's society's job (parents, schools, and churches alike) to provide children with a quality sex-education so they can make informed decisions to keep themselves safe and healthy. And if that fails, as it sadly often does, then a free and open Internet is crucial for those kids who won't get the facts any other way.

However, since Fandom does have the right to make its own rules about what it will allow on its platform... le sigh.

Semi-tangent: I've been thinking about the Citrus Scale lately. It's one of our most visited pages, and IIRC, it came about due to similar censorship rules. We can certainly fall back on it now, and to me it feels a bit like getting in touch with part of real fandom's roots. Just goes to show that life fans will always find a way.

~Neshomeh

Since the page already lists the missions in order, just keep the "Missions" H2 and cut the "Quotes" and "That Series In Order" H2s. With a rewrite of the lede and change of categories, it'll function. Brief episode summaries and more publication info can be added as you/others have time. I imagine it'll end up looking like one of the existing series pages in the end.

Anything you do to get the ball rolling is appreciated!

Re. "The Right Mate," I reckon that's for you and Ix to decide.

~Neshomeh

Come to think of it, there are plenty of things that need lubrication to function well. Wheel axles, hinges, all sorts of machine parts, the proverbial greased pig... {= D

~Neshomeh