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And also put it on the Board header, perhaps? by
on 2023-03-10 23:33:41 UTC
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NSFW badfics could be put on a gdoc. by
on 2023-03-10 23:24:50 UTC
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If NSFW content can't be linked in FANDOM, perhaps they could be placed on a publically editable gdoc, then posted and pinned on the Discord server. That way, people can post or claim them without having to deal with FANDOM's TOS.
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Oh, right, I was forgetting about the one who is a canon character, too! by
on 2023-03-10 22:08:50 UTC
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Yeah, you read that right. There a non-numbered version of my namesake PPC Agent who is a character in formally published media.
In World In Danger, a 2.5D indie retro shooter from 2017 whose developer happens to be a friend of mine and I provided some feedback and beta testing for the game (including a concept idea for the mecha that acts as the final boss) As such, I was offered the chance to be a "guest character" of sorts, and of course I asked for said character to be patterned after my old self-insert and later PPC agent.
I later gave the main four character of game a cameo in Black Sprite, to make the cameo mutual.
So, yeah. While WID!Sergio does have only a handful of flavor lines he says if talked with in free-roaming mode, he is a playable character in the "extended roster" secondary lineup. Pretty neat, right?
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As much as I'm happy the case is solved... by
on 2023-03-10 21:41:39 UTC
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I'm still afraid the last bit is goign to get the Golden Trio in a lot of trouble.
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It's not a live link. ^_~ by
on 2023-03-10 20:59:49 UTC
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The link I posted is actually stupidly long, because it includes the full text of the entire code for the graph. The only way you can add yourself is by getting a new link (I think it was at top right) and posting it yourself.
Please use HTML or Markup if you do that. I wasn't kidding about stupidly long.
hS
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Ooh, interesting. by
on 2023-03-10 19:10:08 UTC
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Nesh and I have sort-of collaborated in RPs, and we are doing Heirs of Avalon with Zing, but that's technically non-PPC even if it uses three of our agents.
I guess it's kinda grey-area for me as a cowriter because my method of cowriting is more "I borrow your character and you edit their lines if I mess up", mostly because otherwise things get backburnered forever ;)
And now I'm trying to think about if I ever cowrote with Miss Cam and I guess the closest I've got is enabling her into things in MDZS fandom haha
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I have gone through the Unclaimed Badfic list to remove FANDOM-unfriendly links. by
on 2023-03-10 18:17:08 UTC
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I'm worried that I just cut it in half.
-Ls
Edit: I went through the Unclaimed list, goshdangit! Doesn't mean I'm not working my way through Claimed too.
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I am actually quite bad on that "characters with the same name" front XD by
on 2023-03-10 18:01:46 UTC
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As I mentioendi n the past, Agent!Sergio Turbo was actually the second such named character I created,.. and on top of that he's considered the third Turbo ,as I decided to consider a superhero character I had created in kindergarten/first grade (named very originally Super Sergio) the "first Turbo"
I have a fourth (recruited in Keiko's spinoff and renamed Shiro Turbo) and a fifth (from a Bakugai Kyoudai Let's & Go!! fanfiction I started and dropped after a single chapter) from my old shames time as well, and I have effectively created a sixth and seventh through The World Without Authors and its related Mai Dire Fine reboot The Story That Never Ended. Although, since Kath's Timeline!Sergio and TSTNE!Sergio are straight-up alternates of "Third Turbo", I'm not considering him sixth and seventh but 3.1 and 3.2 instead.
Which makes the various incarnations of Sergej Speed, Sergio's evil clone, 3C, 3.1C and 3.2C. I'm gonna need a graph for this... And a character dictionary for TWWA ASAP.
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I had calcolated I was in a four degree separation, with the link being through your chain. by
on 2023-03-10 17:49:12 UTC
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And indeed it seems to be the case. It's kinda mindblowing that said link formed only recently through our cowrite of Apples & Oranges 3 - until then I had a fifth degree one through iximaz and then again the Huinesoron-to-Jay route, which again formed fairly late as I think was shortly before I first left (so we're talking after about 6-7 years of PPCing!)
Earlier than that, I would've have a debatable link (also fifth degree) through Lily Winterwood, as I lent her Sergio, Nikki and Corolla for the main Blackout story. However, I had no writing imput in it (though I wrote a companion story to that) so as I said that link is debatable at best.
In my other cowrites, I think I am actually the link, but I'm not going to break it down here as all three of them have long left the PPC (and one of them kinda sourly too)
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I have added myself. Hope that's okay. -Ls (nm) by
on 2023-03-10 17:28:16 UTC
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So if I count an RP with Bookworm... by
on 2023-03-10 17:11:34 UTC
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...I have Five Degrees from Jay Thorntree, from Bookworm, Nesh/hS, kippur, Dee, and Jay.
Right?
-Ls
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So playing around with this... by
on 2023-03-10 17:06:15 UTC
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... I found a node graph editor which lets you share a link to it. So:
Six Degrees of Jay Thorntree, a partial graph/proof of concept. For the RPs I've mostly put on the people who I think are cowrite hubs themselves. RPs are marked by blue lines; a "proper" cowrite takes precedence.
Sadly, agreeing to an appearance does not count - I would say something is only cowritten if both writers penned actual narrative. There's a grey area for "here's that scene/those lines you asked for"; I'm inclined against counting that, but it's really hard to spot, soooo...
hS
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I... dunno. by
on 2023-03-10 16:56:00 UTC
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I have that (still not finished) cowrite with Ki No Shirayuki, though I'm not sure if Yuki's done many other cowrites. I don't think... Ekwy's massive interlude with Mina counts as a cowrite. I have been in a few RPs, though. Let's see...
*The World Without Suvians thing.
*That one National Holidays RP with Meta
*Philharmonic of the Plot Continuum, before I had Permission
*That Plort RP with Bookworm that didn't really feature any of my agents
*That Sue-off thing, also not having any of my agents
...I'm pretty sure the last two definitely don't count, but...the others? I'm not sure.
-Ls
Edit: Sorry for the mini, Ekwy.
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Also Agent Dead, a.k.a. Miss Cam! by
on 2023-03-10 16:53:15 UTC
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I don't know if that helps for Six Degrees, though, unless you want to count OFUM as a massive co-write. >.>
There's also the cameo Agents Jay and Dead had in JAAKSONS 2, "Dark of the Moon," which was presumably at least done with Jay's and Cam's express permission?
And I think Nenya and/or Rosie co-wrote with Araeph once or twice, and were involved in the Sue Support Group, and—ooh, does contributing to the Handbook count? That would additionally loop in Artemis and anyone who made their own Basic Charge List.
~Neshomeh
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Quick clarification: by
on 2023-03-10 16:41:02 UTC
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All Characters Are One is just my personal method of dealing with characters I have control over. I've adopted Thalia by including her in "By Any Other Name". I'm not going to advocate it for characters I have no stake in, though I think it's usually worthwhile. (Huinesoron, by the way, is an exception: Agent Huinesoron =/= Dr. Huinesoron of OFUDisc, though the latter is the Huinesoron from Pancakes!)
Author Thals gives her age as 13 on the shared profile for her DMS spinoff. I'm treating that as true for the character, and have written her that way when I did so.
hS
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Looks good! by
on 2023-03-10 16:34:26 UTC
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(Thalia was thirteen? Dang. I don't think I knew that!)
Agreed on characters sharing a name and author being the same person unless otherwise indicated.
Namesake section seems fine to me. I think putting it below Appearances but above References makes sense, too.
One note: World One as continuum of origin rather than Real World. Real!Thalia is from the Real World, and the page isn't about her. {= )
~Neshomeh
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I am not sure what mine is, but I did participate in WikDiv, if that counts. by
on 2023-03-10 16:23:53 UTC
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I also did a cowritten interlude with Hidany, so that might count for something. Has Hidany done any other cowrites?
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Er. No, not yet. ^_^; Here's what I'm thinking... by
on 2023-03-10 16:16:12 UTC
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We'd talked about swapping out Sue pages, but I don't think we'd gotten round to starting. I figure, we go ahead and start throwing a few at the wall, figure out what works, and standardize later.
My vague, fuzzy notion is something like a cross between an episode synopsis and what a mission report might look like in-universe, if that makes sense? "Synopsis" details could include what the agents were doing when the BEEP happened, any personal drama that played out during the mission, and the resolution or however things wrapped up at the end. "Report" details could include what disguises were used, what challenges the agents faced due to chargeable bad writing, and a brief dossier on any Sues or other non-canon targets dealt with.
But I don't know what's going to work in practice as far as formatting, so don't worry about it too much for now. {= )
I HAVE thought about naming conventions. Where there's no ambiguity, just [[Mission Title]] should be fine, but in the case of something like "Celebrian," where there's another page sharing the name, I think [[Celebrian (mission)]] is probably simplest.
I know there are some missions that share names, too, so if/when we run into that, I reckon we do as we've done with agents and go [[Mission Name (Author name)]]. E.g., if Ix and I both had pages about our missions titled "Family Ties," we'd have [[Family Ties (Iximaz)]] and [[Family Ties (Neshomeh)]].
Honestly, I think needing to disambiguate missions is going to be very rare, so I'm not going to worry about other fringe cases until we run into one. {= )
We will of course have categories, possibly starting with [[Category:PPC Stories]] to be inclusive of non-missions and adding granularity as needed. Like, we'll obviously need [[Category:TOS Missions]], for one. We might want [[Category:Tolkienverse Missions]], [[Category:Potterverse Missions]], etc. But we'll see!
~Neshomeh
(Edit: I did some accidental Markdown with parentheses? I don't get it. But I fixed it.)
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Six Degrees of Jay Thorntree by
on 2023-03-10 15:55:46 UTC
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I hadn't realised until working on her article that Thalia Weaver had cowritten part of TOS. For a moment I thought that Jay might literally had designated her three cowriters as the original PGs (Bast coming in from Taken Far Too Literally's last chapters), but she had a couple of others too - the authors of agents Dee and Rhysdux. At least one of her cowriters, Thals, had her own cowritten spinoff, which got me thinking... is it possible to play Six Degrees of Jay Thorntree? Can we trace a path of 'X cowrote with Y' from any current PPCer back to the creators themselves?
I am happy to report that we can! My own chain is actually quite short!
Jay cowrote TOS24: A Taste of Blood with Deepy
Deepy cowrote Dee & Milask 3: Son of... with kippur (Alec's author; Nesh, this page could stand to be updated)
kippur cowrote Brown DragonRider of Pern with Huinesoron
By Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon rules, Jay's Thorntree Number is 0, so mine would be 3. Pretty good going!
I'm a tolerable hub for cowriters, particularly if we allow ourselves to count compiled RPs as mass cowrites: WikDiv PPC Edition has 14 or so writers, though a couple aren't credited (Tomash and Bookworm heckled Tash in issue 10), and I've been in others. You can probably hit other RPs through Neshomeh (the other cowriter on "Brown DragonRider"), or through Leto Haven (Deepy's cowriter on their spinoff, ran the 2009 Memorial RP). If we don't allow RPs, I'm largely a dead end, but Nesh has done more cowriting than me.
I wonder if there's any other routes back to Jay other than through Deepy? I've been looking, but most chains seem to taper off. Jay > Thalia > Mercuria works by way of OFUCI, but Araeph's visit there wasn't a cowrite. I'm treating everything in the PPC setting as counting, so OFUs are a valid approach, but I haven't run into a useful link yet.
Anyway, if you've done cowrites, post your Degrees of Jay Thorntree! I'd like to think we can get everyone back to her with a bit of work, though may not in under six.
hS
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Do you have any examples of a "mission page"? by
on 2023-03-10 14:06:40 UTC
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You've said we're already working on swapping Suvian pages out for mission ones; are there any good examples I can use as a model for legolas by laura and Celebrian?
Also, how are we titling these? Should the latter be at [[Celebrian]], [[Tales from DOGA: Celebrian]], [[Tales from DOGA/Celebrian]], [[Celebrian (PPC mission)]], or what? (Note that the spinoff it's part of is just [[Tales from DOGA]], with the fact that it's a spinoff being conveyed by the categories and text.)
hS
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Ah, I see why I thought there were more dramatic readings than there actually are. by
on 2023-03-10 12:29:07 UTC
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I have a folder for readings, but some of them are readings of missions, not badfics, plus Scapegrace's PPCitation Needed episodes.
So the actual dramatic badfic readings are My immortal, "Blood Raining Night," and Ziggy Mercuria Stardust reading "To Torment an Elf," which is her own old shame, and probably doesn't need to be rehosted. (I can't even find where I got the link in the first place, anymore . . .)
—doctorlit made the mistake of talking to a nicotine-addicted coworker outdoors near the end of her shift yesterday, and his esophagus is paying for the smoke inhalation this morning
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Thals is first-pass done. by
on 2023-03-10 11:21:37 UTC
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Thalia Weaver. Like with Agent Kaitlyn, I take the view that any and all characters by/inspired by the same author, with the same name, are the same person unless there is a strong reason to believe otherwise. So Thalia Weaver of OFUM == Thalia of the DCPS == Thalia partner to Shada == Miss Thalia of OFUCI. It means they bounce around a bit, but they were early-aughts kids, they pretty much did.
I still have to trawl through OFUM and track down her appearances there. I think the Namesake section should be acceptable? I've tried to keep it brief and stick to the pertinent details (wrote Rhus, PG, gone now).
hS
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I don't know what you're talking about. by
on 2023-03-10 00:13:46 UTC
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High Priest Dafydd of the Temple of GreyLadyBast (all hail her Most Holy Hat) can definitely vouch that I'm not her, if that's what you're asking. >.>
hS