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Now, how about working on some of the badfic or Sue pages that need to be converted to mission pages?

~Neshomeh

In place of Spidey3000, there is now "The Smasher."

Right now, it's got a lede, infobox, synopsis, and links. I might play around with a section for more info about the target/charges/assassination, like I suggested before, but I am out of brain juice for today. Synopsisisising is hard.

Infobox Mission template is here, if anyone wants to examine it. Absolutely open to suggestions about what to include/not include and in what order.

~Neshomeh

I get why Fandom wants to trim things down to make them fit into their neat little censored boxes, but at the same time... oof. Like I said in my bracketed tag, I really do have the PPC to thank for a lot of my early sex ed, growing up in a super religious and conservative environment. I've got y'all to thank for explaining why certain things in badfic are bad anatomy, why consent matters so much and in what contexts that might look different, what to look out for in a relationship... and literally the entirety of what safe sex looks like. I didn't have a safe environment to learn about this stuff as a teenager, and having the PPC gave me the tools to at least go "this sounds sketchy, I should look this up to verify". I really cannot state enough how much of a boon that was to me.

And honestly it just makes me so sad to see this being reduced to a barebones definition of what's appropriate. Are there lines to be drawn there? Sure—but it varies from teen to teen, and short of monitoring your teen's internet access 24/7 you'll never be able to set "appropriate" boundaries... which will again differ from person to person.

It's a whole mess with no easy cut and dry answers. But trying to censor everything pertaining to sexuality isn't it.

-Iximaz, rambling a little, but sad this is what things have come to

The highest Thorntree Number I've found so far is seven, ironically enough for early PG and prolific writer Araeph! She has crossovers with a bunch of characters (the DTE visit Thals and Merc at OFUCI, they hang out with Techno-Dann and Quen), but her only actual cowrite seems to have been with Rose C. Bomull. Who otherwise only cowrote with Nenya... who (I think) cowrote with Vemi once. So:

Jay > Deepy > kippur > Huinesoron > Vemi > Nenya > Rosie > Araeph makes 7.

I have managed to find a non-Deepy route back from the present PPC to Jay - Rhysdux cowrote with Jay and HonorH, HonorH cowrote with kippur - but it's a step longer. Leto Haven ran an RP once though, so at least not all routes run through me and Nesh. Still hoping for a long-lost Thals or Cam cowrite to emerge...

hS

The Edotor link is just confusing everyone, so let's do this instead:

Six Degrees of Jay Thorntree, an editable Google Doc. Add yourself, copy it to the Edotor, and generate your own new image on the fly. (The image at the top of the doc will not update unless you paste a new one in.)

I'm gonna go add a few RPs just for kicks. If we decide to keep this, we probably want to find a way to list sources.

hS

Right now I'm going through the Claimed Badfic List. If anyone wants to maintain their old Claims, please say so here or contact me via Discord or email.

You fic may end up on the Unclaimed list, but I will happily restore it.

-Ls

I think that's five degrees for me?

Speaking of Bleepfic, I think THE RIGHT MATE AT THE RIGHT TIME page should just be deleted. The mission mostly focuses on the horrible pacing and with good reason, but part of why I made that page in the first place was that a lot of hilarious nonsense happens after the mission ends. I'm open to suggestions.

On another note: That Series is long, spanning several missions by different authors. I'm up for reading through them again, but I'd like some help with it. Is anyone else up for reading a lot of missions into horrible yiff over the next however long and summarizing it for posterity? I know I just made it sound like an irresistible opportunity. XD

Sometimes, two or more people choose to "mop the floor" together. It's perfectly normal and natural for consenting adults to "mop the floor" together. However, it's important to choose the proper "cleaning solution" when "mopping the floor" with others, to ensure everyone is safe and comfortable while "mopping." "Mops" are rather delicate instruments, as is the "floor." It's best to avoid damage to the "mop" and the "floor," as they are both notoriously difficult to replace.

And then we can basically keep the remaining explanations and lists the same, just changing some words. For example, that first description becomes:
Lubricants can be dubious for several different reasons. The most important reason for a lubricant to be deemed dubious is that it would not, in fact, function (or function efficiently for the speed at which "mopping the floor improperly" usually occurs) as a lubricant.

And uh, yeah. Let's see FANDOM get all worked up over "mopping floors!"

—doctorlit isn't sure whether he's insulting mops or "mops" more by this comparison

I think of the unclaimed list as a wishlist for those who want to see a fic missioned but either don't want to write a mission themselves or can't (not having Permission etc.)

It didn't occur to me that that would be on the user page, for some reason. Welp, thanks for letting me know! I do think the archive having its own page would make sense for easier searchability but I also completely understand that being a low priority, both in terms of life and in terms of the current doings.

I might also have a look at Not There, which I think could be made less explicit, hopefully enough to avoid problems.

Neshomeh's Archive (my personal PPC site) is linked from my user page, all my agents' pages, anywhere else my missions are referenced... If you mean I should make a wiki article for it... I suppose I should. There are just so many other things higher on my to-do list.

There's also PPC: The Lost Tales (which I administer). It has its own article already. If you've read the Original Series, you've been there before. {= )

~Neshomeh

I agree that it's hilarious, and the suggestion on plausible alternatives is quite interesting. Historical fun facts woo! I might ask- would it be plausible to link your archive on the wiki? I haven't been on the Board in some time, and I didn't actually know about the archive.

But, like all the Legendary articles, "Cupcakes" should equally be rewritten to discuss the mission, not the badfic. Please feel free to volunteer!

~Neshomeh

Is the main NSFW issue at hand sexuality, or are other topics included too? Checking through the NSFW category and Legendary Badfics, I noted that Cupcakes is on there, and was curious if that might pose a problem and is something we should look into, or if it's fine.

I personally wouldn't mind entirely doing away with the Claimed list, or the Unclaimed list, either—but that's a discussion for another day. (Maybe another month.) Ideally, we should vote about it.

Right now, for Killed Badfic, I reckon we can un-link all badfics, but retain their titles and attributes. Also add an attribute for what site it is (or was) hosted on if we can.

Example:

• "The Joker's Destini" - Fanfiction.net - M rated.

Missions usually contain links to their subjects, anyway.

~Neshomeh

You'll see what happens next chapter, ofc ;)

(This should be the final part.)

This is not our highest priority, but I want to make sure it's on our radar.

There are some pages on the wiki that could be considered NSFW by their nature. Examples include (but are likely not limited to): Dubious Lube, The Mechanics, Not There, Kink, Smut, Incest, Rape, and basically anything else the Department of Bad Slash deal with on a daily basis.

Now, I'm firmly of the opinion that defining a term is never obscene. We should be allowed to discuss what smut is or what kinkfic is as long as we do it in a fairly bland (but still humorous!) way. We should also be allowed to state that there are stories that include these themes, and link to our parodic critiques of said stories. I am willing to die on this hill. If FANDOM are going to limit our discourse that much, then I say we should go elsewhere.

That said, we should at least make an attempt to tone down any pages that currently might stray into too much detail. Keep an eye out for anything you come across and edit accordingly. Ideally, we should end up not needing the NSFW category anymore, because zero pages on the wiki will be NSFW.

And the Dubious Lube page might not be salvageable at all. {= ( I think I could yoink it into Neshomeh's Archive, potentially... I find it amusing and I'm frickin' proud of the "What Can We Use?" section.

Anyway, let me know if you think there are other pages we might need to remove entirely. My radar for this sort of thing is admittedly not very sensitive these days, and it should really be a community decision anyway. {= )

~Neshomeh

I went over the Unclaimed list (despite what my post said originally) and removed explicit works. I'm also currently trying to go over some of the Claimed badfics, both to get rid of NSFW links and old claims.

Are you suggesting we do away the Claimed list entirely? Because honestly... that's not a bad idea. Most of the currently active authors don't seem to use it. The most use it has is preventing some newbie who doesn't know better from missioning My Immortal or Subjugation, or any other well-known fic out of ignorance.

What do you propose we do with all those Killed Badfic links that actually are to fics FANDOM could reasonably object to? Just delete outright?

-Ls

Even the NSFW ones. None of them are actually porn, unlike the fics they spork, so we've got more of a leg to stand on there. Anyway, if FANDOM come down on us for doing the primary function of the wiki, then we really should just pick up our toys and find a more welcoming sandbox.

Snipping the explicit badfics was a good idea, though. Cheers!

I don't think we need to worry about an alternative listing for M+ badfics at this time. We got on without a Claimed list before, we can do it again. Especially since we're less active these days and the number of people who want to tackle M+ fics in the first place is small.

~Neshomeh

That... could work, but I'm assuming Nesh will have put much more thought into this than either of us. (insert smiley emoticon here)

And besides, it's not just badfics. Some PPC fics are NSFW too--and going through all the Killed Badfic lists will be a hecka work.

But, as Nesh has pointed out before in this thread, gdocs has significant limitations--it's much harder to allow good-faith edits while also allowing reverting bad-faith edits.

-Ls