I might also have a look at Not There, which I think could be made less explicit, hopefully enough to avoid problems.

I was fortunate enough to have decent sex-ed in my home, but for me, the PPC helped my baby ace brain learn to stop being horribly negative about sexual relationships as a subject of fiction. I have some deeply embarrassing comments about slash 'ships buried in FF.net reviews. ^_^; Not due to homophobia, but general sex-phobia. The Department of Bad Slash taught me there is such a thing as good slash, and by extension good 'ship fic in general.

Baby ace me was definitely scandalized by sexual topics, but without being exposed to that sort of thing, I'd never have grown to have a more tolerant and eventually positive attitude toward other people's sexuality. Or my own, for that matter—a Boarder was the first person to tell me asexuality is a thing.

So yeah, I really don't think it's the Internet's job to censor itself """for the children.""" I think it's society's job (parents, schools, and churches alike) to provide children with a quality sex-education so they can make informed decisions to keep themselves safe and healthy. And if that fails, as it sadly often does, then a free and open Internet is crucial for those kids who won't get the facts any other way.

However, since Fandom does have the right to make its own rules about what it will allow on its platform... le sigh.

Semi-tangent: I've been thinking about the Citrus Scale lately. It's one of our most visited pages, and IIRC, it came about due to similar censorship rules. We can certainly fall back on it now, and to me it feels a bit like getting in touch with part of real fandom's roots. Just goes to show that life fans will always find a way.

~Neshomeh

Sometimes, two or more people choose to "mop the floor" together. It's perfectly normal and natural for consenting adults to "mop the floor" together. However, it's important to choose the proper "cleaning solution" when "mopping the floor" with others, to ensure everyone is safe and comfortable while "mopping." "Mops" are rather delicate instruments, as is the "floor." It's best to avoid damage to the "mop" and the "floor," as they are both notoriously difficult to replace.

And then we can basically keep the remaining explanations and lists the same, just changing some words. For example, that first description becomes:
Lubricants can be dubious for several different reasons. The most important reason for a lubricant to be deemed dubious is that it would not, in fact, function (or function efficiently for the speed at which "mopping the floor improperly" usually occurs) as a lubricant.

And uh, yeah. Let's see FANDOM get all worked up over "mopping floors!"

—doctorlit isn't sure whether he's insulting mops or "mops" more by this comparison

Neshomeh's Archive (my personal PPC site) is linked from my user page, all my agents' pages, anywhere else my missions are referenced... If you mean I should make a wiki article for it... I suppose I should. There are just so many other things higher on my to-do list.

There's also PPC: The Lost Tales (which I administer). It has its own article already. If you've read the Original Series, you've been there before. {= )

~Neshomeh

That... could work, but I'm assuming Nesh will have put much more thought into this than either of us. (insert smiley emoticon here)

And besides, it's not just badfics. Some PPC fics are NSFW too--and going through all the Killed Badfic lists will be a hecka work.

But, as Nesh has pointed out before in this thread, gdocs has significant limitations--it's much harder to allow good-faith edits while also allowing reverting bad-faith edits.

-Ls

For folks who don't use Discord like me.

The one mission Taboo appears in is a co-write between Deepy (Agent Dee) and Kippur (Agent Alec), and in the authors' note they say, "we don’t even own Taboo (who belongs to herself)."

I don't know whether that means Taboo was someone else's namesake character they borrowed, or an NPC they made up.

Either way, I've cribbed her for a mission with Ilraen, though. That Farscape fic I ranted about last year. >.>

~Neshomeh, like Rygel, doesn't tell jokes. (Watch to 3:47. ^_~ )

I have that (still not finished) cowrite with Ki No Shirayuki, though I'm not sure if Yuki's done many other cowrites. I don't think... Ekwy's massive interlude with Mina counts as a cowrite. I have been in a few RPs, though. Let's see...

*The World Without Suvians thing.

*That one National Holidays RP with Meta

*Philharmonic of the Plot Continuum, before I had Permission

*That Plort RP with Bookworm that didn't really feature any of my agents

*That Sue-off thing, also not having any of my agents

...I'm pretty sure the last two definitely don't count, but...the others? I'm not sure.

-Ls

Edit: Sorry for the mini, Ekwy.

I don't know if that helps for Six Degrees, though, unless you want to count OFUM as a massive co-write. >.>

There's also the cameo Agents Jay and Dead had in JAAKSONS 2, "Dark of the Moon," which was presumably at least done with Jay's and Cam's express permission?

And I think Nenya and/or Rosie co-wrote with Araeph once or twice, and were involved in the Sue Support Group, and—ooh, does contributing to the Handbook count? That would additionally loop in Artemis and anyone who made their own Basic Charge List.

~Neshomeh

I also did a cowritten interlude with Hidany, so that might count for something. Has Hidany done any other cowrites?

She's one of my oldest fandom friends. But if you've already got to the page then that's fine.

I might also be able to get Leto Haven, since he's my PG. Maybe Meir Brin, too?

Bjam was one of my best friends, and I've adopted both her character and AW's. I might tackle Bast as well - Pretty sure all her appearances are under my aegis at this point.

EDIT: And Thals, on my wife's behalf. This is how we remember our friends.

hS

Since the page already lists the missions in order, just keep the "Missions" H2 and cut the "Quotes" and "That Series In Order" H2s. With a rewrite of the lede and change of categories, it'll function. Brief episode summaries and more publication info can be added as you/others have time. I imagine it'll end up looking like one of the existing series pages in the end.

Anything you do to get the ball rolling is appreciated!

Re. "The Right Mate," I reckon that's for you and Ix to decide.

~Neshomeh

I have a folder for readings, but some of them are readings of missions, not badfics, plus Scapegrace's PPCitation Needed episodes.

So the actual dramatic badfic readings are My immortal, "Blood Raining Night," and Ziggy Mercuria Stardust reading "To Torment an Elf," which is her own old shame, and probably doesn't need to be rehosted. (I can't even find where I got the link in the first place, anymore . . .)

—doctorlit made the mistake of talking to a nicotine-addicted coworker outdoors near the end of her shift yesterday, and his esophagus is paying for the smoke inhalation this morning

You can still check it yourself, of course.

-Ls

until near midsummer.

Hope you don't mind if I slump with you. Slumping is better with a friend. {= )

I'm sad if the York reading is gone. Did you know it's linked from Fanlore's "legolas by laura" page? o.o (There's actually a bit of PPC-related content on there. Much of which is horribly out of date or plain incorrect, like this page. I don't even. What. But that is a matter for another day.)

The other reading I know about off the top of my head is the "Blood Raining Night" one. I think there were just the two?

Good on Neocities for being reasonable about non-illegal explicit content—and yes, that's the kind of policy I was talking about.

Community Members are indeed the subject of my next post. I like your Namesake suggestion!

~Neshomeh

These pages had the same content that that lead TV Tropes to almost die, so I'm a bit afraid.

Kimberton writes:

Hi Neshomeh, I’d be happy to go over these with you.

• Paolini’s page was removed because, while his work may inspire fanfic, the article on him was more of an attack page on his work than anything else. It would be fine to have a page state that he inspires fanfic and which of his works were inspiration for articles on your wiki, but an attack page bashing his work is not appropriate and may not be recreated.


• As long as the Spidey3000 is about a fictional character and not a real person, it is fine to restore the page.


• Celebrian (badfic) violated several of our Terms of Use and cannot be recreated/restored/remade. The specific issues with Celebrian (badfic) were multiple instances of rape/non-consensual sex, anal penetration and bestiality. This content is not welcome on Fandom.


• Rose Potter was removed for NSFW content involving an underaged/minor character. The character was listed on the page as being between the ages of 11-16 and the details of this fanfic list “exploring/exploiting teenage sexual activtity”, sexual “under- and over tones” related to underaged/minor characters, relationships between Rose (a minor) and an older man, “highly graphic, gory sex ritual” among underaged/minor characters, etc. We do not tolerate any sexual material about minors/underage characters and this cannot be recreated. The article also included a nude image of the character which was deleted and may not be restored.


• “Given that our wiki exists primarily for the purpose of documenting creative works by our own community members, I would assume we're still allowed to document the creators of said works (i.e. our own members). They are notable to us.” No, you may not. They may be notable to the wiki community, but they are not notable enough to be documented. Our policy is clear: Please do not create communities or pages (even humorous ones) about living people who aren’t publicly notable, including classmates and teachers, gaming clans, forum communities, YouTube or other social media personalities and more. Even positive articles about people can cause unnecessary drama and may become a tempting target for personal attacks, cyberbullying, unwanted exposure of personal information, and other violations of Fandom, Inc.’s Terms of Use (https://www.fandom.com/community-creation-policy) Kimberton Kimberton 17:32, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

So, according to that last bit, apparently we're not allowed to have pages about the frelling creators of our own community anymore. FFS. Never mind the actual censorship regarding discussion of sexual topics or having a negative opinion of a public figure, tone-policing be damned. I can't deal with this right now, I have to do my actual job.

Yo, just out of curiosity, does anyone know of any reasonable alternatives to FANDOM? Just, y'know, no reason, just wondering. }= /

~Neshomeh

2 (I'm kind of assuming Kimberton didn't read the page, and assumed Paolini was a badfic author like Squirrelking. I'm not making the obvious joke. Assuming we get the page back, I do think we should uh. make it a bit less witch-hunty? Guy was only a teen when he started publishing, and we wouldn't want potential newbies who like Inheritance to see that and feel dissuaded from joining . . . I don't know why I put all this in parentheses . . .)

3 Well, I don't think I get to say "I told you so," because I don't actually remember telling you so . . . >.>

4 Huh. Hum. Huh. Um. Ummmmmm . . . Hmmmm . . . Do we need a "Celebrian" page? Do we need any pages for individual badfics at all? They tend to just be descriptions of the bad stuff inside, which is already readable in the mission, and then a link to the mission, which itself is already available on some number of other character pages, and the new spin-off hub pages, and the continuum pages, and the killed badfic pages . . . It does feel kind of unnecessary? And worse than unnecessary, if they're going to attract this type of attention from admins on high? (The one exception I would make would be fics like That Series and "Subjugation" that had multiple "episodes" across different spin-offs, since they do have a rather unique self-contained story within our universe, and keeping all the links in one place does have value for ease of access.) I know, I know, "Celebrian" is "legendary" . . . but that's never really meant anything, yeah? Just food for thought.

7 Frustrating that someone clearly discovered our Wiki and went out of their way to cause bureaucratic trouble for us. Such is the way of the internet, I suppose. Human beings are so fun.

13 Nesh, I'm sorry you've had to deal with all this while feeling sick. I just peeked at the deletion log, and I see you've been very busy dealing with spam and troll edits for quite a while now. Once again, I hate that I'm not online as much any more to be handling some of this responsibility with you. I wish I could be tending to the Wiki as much as I used to, but my job is just very A Lot, and I'm not home as much any more. I'm sorry. : ( If there's anything I can help with in this current situation, let me know.

—doctorlit, Squirrelbutler

I gave her vaguely druid-like clothes so Fandom can’t complain.

Not sure why they're allowed to have one, but we're not.

-Ls