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That is a good point. (nm) by
on 2022-06-08 23:11:47 UTC
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A few more wiki-related comments... by
on 2022-06-08 21:46:32 UTC
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*Why don’t we have pages for Author!Jay and Acacia? We have them for other inactive Boarders.
*Why do we note, on continuum pages, whether agents are specialized in a continuum? It doesn’t appear to be noted in-universe.
*Only admins can edit Achievement Badges, so I can’t change those. (I believe Nesh and I’ve discussed this before.)
—Ls
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In my view... by
on 2022-06-08 18:08:50 UTC
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Stuff like “Ring Child”, already sorta has a page...so maybe notability is up to the mission’s author? I dunno, but TOS pages would be a must.
I imagine we could just expand the “mission” section of the Legendaries.
I think WWS deserves its own wiki page. I mean, the Arthurverse has one, and I’d put it in the same category. Though I might wait till the WWS interlude is posted.
—Ls
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I think that's a good idea! by
on 2022-06-08 17:30:43 UTC
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Alas, mobile editing sucks, so I probably won't be the best help, but I can try!
I was going to say something along the lines of "first mentions shouldn't make the whole mission get a page," but then I reread what you said. You said missions that covered significant events, not every mission that first mentions something.
Question: What is considered a "significant event?" The first mission in a canon? Or maybe just the really important stuff, like the Canon Keys stuff? Or stuff inbetween, like the first showing of a Suvian Spirit type?
Also, what would happen to the Legendary Badfic pages? And... there's another thing, but I forgot. I'll probably remember mid-rehearsal or something lol.
On a semi-related topic, should "World Without Suvians" get its own wiki page? It's an important event inan alt. timeline, I think?
-kA
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Yes! That! I had blanked on the title, sorry. by
on 2022-06-08 16:48:40 UTC
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Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I need to reread it because it was fun.
I forgot that your agents were used and didn't know (or forgot) that you cowrote those bits! That's awesome!
It may or may not have given me an idea a while back, but I never acted on the idea in fear of accidentally copying. Now I can't remember the idea lol.
-kA
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PPC+20: "Mary Sue, Sue Mary and the Broken Plot Continuum" 4 by
on 2022-06-08 15:59:39 UTC
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Nath's masterpiece continues, and Mary Sue and Sue Mary are out of Rivendell and causing trouble to the south...
Mary Sue, Sue Mary and the Broken Plot Continuum: This wasn't in the film? by Nath.
hS
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Oh! You read that? by
on 2022-06-08 15:55:24 UTC
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The story you're describing sounds very much like Diary of an Undercover Sue. The part you're thinking of starts in chapter 16, and the agents are a certain Dafydd and Selene of DOGA. I actually cowrote those parts! Hirilnara was a good real-world friend of mine.
Also, good catch on the 'four months' thing. I was assuming TFTL took place in a few real-world days, so I need to adjust my thinking now!
hS
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On page protection by
on 2022-06-08 14:42:43 UTC
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Yes, pages can be protected so only admins can edit them. I don't especially love the idea of having to do that for a whole bunch of pages, though, particularly in cases where the actual author might still be active.
Also, you can always look at a page's edit history to see who has contributed what. It's very transparent. It wouldn't be hard to spot a troll or a community collab, so I disagree that that poses a problem. Plus, if a wiki has decided to act as a public fanfic hosting site for some reason, then I don't personally see any reason we should treat it differently from any other public fanfic hosting site. *shrug*
But I still don't think it's a good idea for us to do that.
~Neshomeh
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I like this! by
on 2022-06-08 14:39:35 UTC
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I don’t know if “lead the charge” is something I could do, but I like the idea of going from Sue pages to spin-off pages. I could definitely do so with my own spin-offs.
Good idea, Nesh.
—Ls
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You have a point. by
on 2022-06-08 14:32:31 UTC
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As for Point One, you’re right, some are totally collaborations; including one I created a page for. And if someone can edit...yeah, you have a good point there.
As for Point Two, I wasn’t suggesting that it be obligatory. I was thinking more “Preserve critical PPC texts on the wiki itself”, not “we all must post on the wiki now”. I’m not sure how doing so would “add strain to the wiki”.
And it is completely possible to restrict editing to admins. In fact, the Ghost of You source text is protected in such a way.
I would like to be able to post my own missions on there, but with a link to the authoritative version elsewhere. Which could be optional. You, Kittyauthor, would be under no obligation to.
—Ls, who’s waiting on Nesh’s two cents.
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I dunno, but I have another idea... by
on 2022-06-08 14:32:27 UTC
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The purpose of a wiki is not to be a primary source or an archive. It's to be an encyclopedia—a quick reference for basic information and a guide to finding appropriate primary sources. To me, the idea of hosting stories on it goes against the grain.
On a related note, though, I have had the thought that it might be good to have pages about spin-offs or individual stories, particularly ones that cover significant events. I imagine they'd each have a brief synopsis of the plot (the one with the agents in) and a section for notable details, like first mentions of gadgets and whatnot. These could possibly even replace the existing Sue pages, and doing that would put the focus back on the PPC: more on-topic, less glorifying and/or bashing the non-PPC character.
The reason I haven't brought it up before, though, is that I don't want to do it myself. ^_^; Even if we just did TOS, where I'd suggest we ought to start, that's still 26 articles and a heckton of work, and I'm doing other things already. However, should the community think this is worth doing, and should someone else want to lead the charge, I would certainly help!
~Neshomeh
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1. I personally wouldn't, and 2. I personally don't want to. by
on 2022-06-08 14:15:39 UTC
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With the forst point, the fanfic might be bad because some random troll edited the fanfic and no one reversed the edit. I feel uncomfy with tackling a fanfic on a wiki page because anyone can easily edit it. With Quotev or FF.net, you don't have that issue. It's one author and consistently so. Any fanfic on thay wiki could be a collaberation between almost all members of the wiki, and I rather not tick off a fandom for sporking something.
With your selection of your first mission, it is preserved there for archive reasons (like My Immortal). The way you're describing this wiki, it's a fanfic hosting site, not an archive. Several members might have contributed to one fic. They might have quality standards. It just... makes me uncomfy to attack a fic on the official wiki that isn't there for archival reason.
As for 2, putting those might add strain to the wiki? And, again, the wiki is highly editable. Sure, we can protect those pages, but it makes me kinda on edge. Again, the wiki is highly editable (is there a way to not allow anyone to edit except admins?), so it makes me kinda nervous.
As for my personal stories, no. The wiki is not very friendly to me, and it has been acting up even more recently (like me trying to add categories to the Sporkmal page). I would just have trouble creating the page and probably editing my mission to work in source edit mode, because I know I'll have difficultly pasting rich text into the visual editor.
These are, of course, my personal opinions. I'm not intending to be harsh, but I think 1, at least, is a Bad Idea.
-kA
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Interesting... by
on 2022-06-08 13:55:04 UTC
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I haven't read the other chapters (apologies) but I never figured that the months of posting the fic actually would pass! If I knew that... nothing would happen, because I haven't sporked any dimensional hoppers. I'll keep that in mind, though.
This reminds me of a later PPC (?) fic, where a "Sue" was part of a Mary Sue class in the factory (O think?) and the final test was "go into Middle Earth and mess it up" and this "Sue" was hunted down by oblivious PPC agents, despite the Sue not wanting to be a Sue? I think? It's been a hot minute since I've read it.
But, anyways, I like the feel of this chapter. Now I need to go back amd read the others.
-kA
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Observation on the Avatar Wiki by
on 2022-06-08 13:50:51 UTC
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Avatar: The Last Airbender is one of my favorite fandoms, and its wiki has a feature I’d like to bring up: its fanon pages.
Essentially, the Avatar Wiki is an Avatar-only fanfiction hosting site. Thisis relevant to us for a couple reasons:
1: Some of those fanfics are going to be bad, and probably sporkable too.
2: We could host PPC stories on our wiki. While we probably wouldn’t want to put them all on the wiki, stuff like TOS, the Reorganisation, and Crashing Down could have another rehost site.
Thoughts?
—Ls
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Yes, I have heard of that. by
on 2022-06-08 12:39:55 UTC
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But the links were broken, so I’m trying to make a slightly nicer, slightly simpler version. Hence the Just for Pun name of Flowers to Flowers.
—Ls
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It tellls the story from the Sue's perspective. Interesting. by
on 2022-06-08 03:34:01 UTC
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This made me laugh. Now I want to read some more of GreyLadyBast's stuff.
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Sounds interesting!! by
on 2022-06-08 01:33:41 UTC
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I will mention that Nesh and I have Cards Against Headquarters, but ever since Cardcast and Pretend You're XYZZY went down that page has been outdated. We're in the process of revising and porting the cards over to new online CAH platforms, though.
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I like green apple skitttles. (nm) by
on 2022-06-07 22:12:53 UTC
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I’m definitely planning on writing her backstory for the Badfic Games. by
on 2022-06-07 20:56:58 UTC
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September is only three months away! I’m really looking forward to the Games.
Now that I think over it again, the charge list is unnecessary. I think the idea behind drawing out the troll-wraith should be that you’re not letting it anger you, which is a troll’s entire goal. Not being able to do so should make it mad instead, allowing you to draw it out. But the charge list isn’t really doing that, the concrit is. Hence, the charge list is unnecessary.
Well, I still have a bit to go before I write the PPC’s first actual foray into troll-fighting. (Seriously, I’m rather shocked that the Troll Division has only ONE interlude-y thing.) I’m just brainstorming, as of present.
—Ls
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Backstory works for me. by
on 2022-06-07 19:49:04 UTC
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What might be fun (for you) would be to write her fic of origin for the next Badfic Games. It's only a few months away!
For the Troll Division stuff, one question: why the charge list? Not all departments need one, and you're pretty much duplicating the effort with the concrit section. Anything actually worth putting on a charge list could be worked into the concrit anyway.
hS
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Flowers to Flowers game sign-up. by
on 2022-06-07 17:01:08 UTC
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Introducing...the newest PPC game, Flowers to Flowers! In this PPC-themed version of Apples to Apples, one “Judge” chooses an adjective, and all other contestants reply with a page on the PPC wiki!
Does anyone want to play?
(There are more rules, but I’d like to see if anyone else is interested before I bother with the minutiae.)
—Ls
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((I still don’t know what to do. by
on 2022-06-07 16:57:43 UTC
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I don’t know who’s judging, who the contestants are...Yuki, I really need some more info before I can put Carlisle & Mina in.
—Ls, still confused.))
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((The latter ☺️)) (nm) by
on 2022-06-07 15:13:47 UTC
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((Um, I’m not sure what to do. by
on 2022-06-07 13:37:07 UTC
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Is this an RP where males dress up in wedding costumes? Or is it a fashion show? I’m just kinda confused as to what this is supposed to be.
—Ls))