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I'm just curious--at what point did the Old PPC angry rant review mission stop being a thing? Do you have a vague idea of what year it would be?

-Ls

For my Driftwood missions, I always post Agent Kaitlyn's Concrit as a review, anonymised and with any references to the PPC excised. Giving concrit is good!

Telling people you've executed their character is not. That's how the DOGA website got taken down the first time, with at least one story being lost forever. It was never a great idea, and the modern "kinder, gentler PPC" definitely shouldn't do it. We recognise now that we're not actually a force that will Fix Fanfic - we're just here to have fun, and maybe do a bit of concrit along the way.

hS

Old PPC had a troll…

It kept sounding a little bit weird to me, and then...well. Turns out that if there were only an A in there, it would actually be a perfect anagram of "Nerdanel"...! So, yeah, at this point I'm definitely curious.

~Z

From what I recall, in the early days, PPCers would leave reviews on the pages of fics they would mission. Does anyone remember how that worked, or when it stopped?

-Ls

That's what I've done.

People whose first encounter with the PPC is through your works should be informed about how to do the thing properly.

~Neshomeh

I think there's an actual writing challenge to use only words with no Es in them, which will really bake your noodle if you try it.

This ain't it.

ETA: There are no Es in "Tumor," either; they're all either excised or replaced. I tip my hat to the troll: they had me fooled into thinking they were just an average keyboard-smasher for a minute there. (Edited a second time for clarity. Typing in haste on a phone is never a great idea, kids.)

~Neshomeh

Plus one of them may or may not have died without ever setting foot in Middle-earth.

In ostensible defence of the author, I will note that there are a number of women in the House of Finwe who go entirely unmentioned in any narrative. Several wives exist but are unnamed (Curufin's and Orodreth's), and Fingolfin has an older sister probably living with him during most of the First Age (Irime). So it would be possible for one of the brothers to have a daughter who just never made it into the tales.

But if only Cur, Caranthir, and Maglor were married, it would have to be one of them, and I think there are insurmountable problems with all three.

hS

And I quote:

An idia is a siid for a story and if you ar familiar with how ivolution works you might think of how storis ivolvi throught giniratins of riitirations of mimitic divlopimint.

I don't know what relevance a Twisted Wonderland character has in this, but maybe some deeper philosophy is at play here.

Simply because of how the tag system works, that's all.

-Ls

Some people's spin-offs are very long (like mine) and they may not feel up to going back to retroactively edit all of their entries. We've never really had a problem telling approved spin-offs from unapproved ones before anyway.

Permission as a concept is irrelevant to AO3: We can't take down a fanwork (or a "fan" work) because it was written with our setting without our consent any more than Anne Rice can.

I searched the book for other mentions of "Nerdanel's granddaughter". She seems to actually appear in the book, but not to do anything. More importantly, Celebrimbor explicitly calls her his cousin (confirming the family tree), and she has red hair.

So whose is she supposed to be? We know for sure she's not Curufin's daughter, because then Brim would be her brother. Maedhros famously had red hair, but also never married. One note by Tolkien says that Maglor and Caranthir may have been married - but neither of them have red hair to inherit.

The most likely option, yet again, is that as an artist she's supposed to be a daughter of Maglor. I feel like Dafydd needs to start a collection of his supposed kids - maybe he can paint each of their extremely deserved demises or something.

hS

I doubt AO3 will do anything. If a more intelligent troll tries to make an actual PPC story (which is probably unlikely, as it hasn't been a real problem in the past), maybe we should try to make it clear in each story's description that the author had Permission, though I'm guessing most people who post missions on AO3 do that anyway.

I'm guessing that this is my fault since I added a link to the category on our TV Tropes page a while back. I'd bet this author was randomly looking up stuff on there and happened to see it and decide to add it to their latest serving of word salad. Yeah, maybe adding that category link wasn't a good idea. Dunno if I should try to edit it out, though.

-Ls

Mad Hare was at least sort of entertaining, if not so very clever as they wanted us to think. This is uber-typo rambling about nothing, and anyone can do that.

Regarding AO3, I'd say you're welcome to try. It would be cool to at least get the tag removed. They're kinda infamous for being reluctant to take any action about anything short of breaking the site, though, so I have low expectations.

~Neshomeh

Or, at least, I saw one that resembles it - it has the same kind of incoherent feel.

Now, this person has thirteen more works, most of which are collected in the same series as the one tagged as PPC - and all are extremely short and incoherent. They did post one in a different language - Hungarian - and that one once Google Translated into English is as weird and incoherent as the other ones. The fact that there are a couple words that Google failed to translate suggests that the piece indeed was written in Hungarian first, and the other ones might be Google-Translated from it with a bit of editing on the author's part.

However, it looks like that the story tagged with the PPC is the only one with atrocius spelling (as there's no way Google would output something that bad), and the content does vaguely refer to the PPC's themes - suggesting it was made that way on purpose. While fairly innocuous (it looks like a very badly written attempt at introducing the concept of the PPC mixed with stuff from other media), I still believe it raises a flag:

-It is something tagged as a PPC piece written by someone who is not part of our community, and has no Permission -It is deliberately written with terrible spelling, as the author is clearly capable of getting that right in the other "stories", which goes exactly the opposite way of the standards we give ourselves to not be hipocrites in mission writing.

As such, I believe that some kind of action is needed here. There is a sizable chance this person is a troll, which means I'm not sure if trying to contact them through AO3 would be useful. I do however believe that there are grounds to report this author, as several of the stories don't even fall under AO3's broadest definition of fannish work

Thoughts?

I’ll probably stick with the Newton name, but thanks for the suggestions and for letting me use it.

It really is very bad indeed.

I have no objection, though if you can think of a funny canon-based name you can always go with that instead (see: Digory Kirke Elementary High). I think Nurse Emily already has a road, clear across town in the American Quarter (though it doesn't seem to be marked in the Guide). Of course, that would just make navigation confusing, which I can't complain about in a PPC setting!

hS