That actually makes sense. Heh. In any case, my opinion is that the ruling that they are considered people is, frankly, quite ridiculous. I define a person as a living being with the capacity to make rational, uncontrolled thought. A fictional character thinks what the author wants them to think, and does what the author wants them to do. Fictional characters are puppets, whether depicted in text or imagery. If the characters were people, then ventriloquist dummies are, by extension, also people. And I say that's absolutely wrong. I really have to put this down on a Big List of Law-Related Failures...
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Exaggeration? by
on 2008-12-15 08:02:00 UTC
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Well said. by
on 2008-12-15 08:02:00 UTC
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He's quite right about that. Go Neil Gaiman! *waves pennant*
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Sorry for the lateness. by
on 2008-12-15 07:22:00 UTC
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Have a Prinny suit anyway. It increases stats, and adds '-dood' to the end of every sentence the wearer says. If the wearer is picked up and thrown, they explode. It's only really a problem in NIS continua though, where everyone can be carried, so...
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I would suspect so, but ... by
on 2008-12-15 07:19:00 UTC
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... the whole idea of classing them in law as people seems tricky, given what their *creators* have done to them in the course of their television career.
We need Pigeonarmy. He's a law student. Surely he can clear at least some of this confusion away?
Trojie, confused.
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Trying to get the advanced editor up, but how's the rest? (nm) by
on 2008-12-15 07:14:00 UTC
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Oh, I never thought of trying that! by
on 2008-12-15 07:08:00 UTC
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Thanks, I'll do that now and see if it works. That's been frustrating me, because I couldn't figure it out.
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On a technical note... by
on 2008-12-15 07:05:00 UTC
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If you open up your pages in the advanced editor and get to the raw HTML (I'm not familiar with freewebs, sorry), the title should be in there- there'll be a lt;head> tag at (or near) the top of the page, and between that and its accompanying </head>, there should be a line that looks like this: <title>Responce Centre 5593 |</title>. Fix it there, save the page, and that should solve the problem.
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But if that's the case, then I've given birth to nine people by
on 2008-12-15 06:41:00 UTC
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Some of whom are older than I am.
All right, that's an exaggeration. But the point stands; if they're tossing around exactly where the line is drawn, just what else could people get away with? Or be blamed for?
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I return! With a reapplication! by
on 2008-12-15 06:18:00 UTC
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Hey all. Yeah, I know I disappeared for a while, sorry, but it was for a good reason. I've been really busy with real life stuff, especially school and wrestling, but I also shifted my focus to finishing the bios and writing sample so I could reapply for Permission. Now that those are finished, not only can I resume normal activity, but reapply. Here are the links to my agents' bios, my writing sample, and my intended first target:
http://rc5593.webs.com/agentbios.htm - Bios.
http://rc5593.webs.com/prologuewritingsample.htm - My writing sample. Sorry, it's shorter than I wanted it to be, but I think it's still good.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2977058/1/HaloHalosin_Space - The first badfic I intend to do a mission on.
Some notes: I'm aware of the typo in my site's title, but there is no way for me to fix it. I was making the site at two in the morning, I was exhausted, and my finger slipped. As far as I'm aware, this is impossible to fix, I'm sorry. I've tied it into an actual misspelling of the term on the RC's door in an attempt to make it into a running joke. Also, hS (I know you might not be the PG who sees this, but still, it's a general "if you read this" thing), if you have a google talk or are on Skype at some convenient time, I need to speak with you. I've meant to issue a private apology (not just "please don't smite me, Your Highness" grovelling or whatever, but an actual, sincere, apology) for what happened during July's badfic reading, if possible and if you're willing to speak with me (I would not be surprised if you were not, but I hope you'll at least give me the chance to make up for it), but I just thought I'd ask what time would be convenient.
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Heh, alright. by
on 2008-12-15 05:44:00 UTC
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Was just about to reply here with a reminder when I saw the "you don't need to" note. Ah well. Hope it all goes well.
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Happy birthday, love! by
on 2008-12-15 05:30:00 UTC
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Sorry I was late in this, but I've given my well wishes over MSN and stuff anyway. I just haven't really been able to get on the board. Hope you had a good one!
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whoops by
on 2008-12-15 05:26:00 UTC
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What was that authors' note we have in S/D, Trojie? "Characters aged up to UK age of consent"?
Gah. I'm going to stop reading this thread, because I'm going to start ranting like nobody's business, and Trojie's not online to calm me down. And, for the record, next time we have a thread involving child molestation, can we start putting trigger warnings on it?
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yep by
on 2008-12-15 05:22:00 UTC
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Reminds me of a current plotline in a soap here - there's a girl who's just turned sixteen, who's been seeing her stepfather since she was twelve. The amount of people complaining that this is allowed to be aired, and that it's wrong, far outweighs the number of people saying "wow, some realism in soap at last!" But, y'know, why the hell bother fighting problems when you can attack symptoms and make it look like you're doing something?
Isn't the world a fun place?
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it's the libel that worries me by
on 2008-12-15 05:19:00 UTC
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If the Simpsons are classed, in law, as *people*, then writing fanfic, even if it's clean, about them would be libellous, non?
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it's the Galactic Clap, clearly (nm) by
on 2008-12-15 05:16:00 UTC
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whiskey tango? by
on 2008-12-15 05:15:00 UTC
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Ten and the Master are *what*?! Pretty damned certain the Doctor told Martha she'd been reading too many fanfics (or watching too many films, whatever) when she suggested they were brothers.
He's right on the Ten/Donna, I'll give him that.
But who is this "Reniette", and why is it so icky to imagine him/her with the Doctor?
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Here it is! by
on 2008-12-15 04:36:00 UTC
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PPC, Oh PPC
to the tune of Hanukkah, Oh Hanukkah
PPC, Oh PPC, let's kill the Mary Sue
We can have a party, as we kill the Stu too
Gather around now Agents, we have stories to slay
Legolas is pregnant, and Arwen's gone away.
And while we are killing
In each death we shall take delight
For each Sue we shall spite
We shall set things to rights
And fight for the canon that we love*
For each Sue we shall spite
We shall set things to rights
And fight for the canon that we love*.
Yey! It's done. I'm not entirely happy with the starred line but it'll do.
~Zoe~
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The thing with the rulings, I thinkÂ… by
on 2008-12-15 04:31:00 UTC
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…is that they're not distinguishing fictional characters from actual people. But fictional characters aren't exactly affected that much, right? I mean, in real terms.
And art… art is tricky. But again, that's intended to have a different context, so… I don't know. I think this whole thing is way messed up, though.
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Seconding the witch-hunt thing - it's ridiculous by
on 2008-12-15 04:14:00 UTC
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All this is doing is making it SEEM like they're dealing with the problem when in fact they're only dealing with its symbols. *sigh*
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Seconded. (nm) by
on 2008-12-15 04:12:00 UTC
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My thoughts... by
on 2008-12-15 04:04:00 UTC
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Are that if the manga were illigal, they should have not been alowed to cross customs. The man should have been notified about the situation and the rest would have been sorted form there. What is leagal in one country is not alway leagal in another (eg. marajawana and Belgium). But allowing the man to accually get the manga and bring it home, that is against his rights. There is no trade embargo between Japan and the United States.
And another thing, how would the man know that the manga was `obscene`? The ones at fault here are the authorities.
But that is just my 2 yen.
Leto
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I've long since given up on trying to figure out WHY by
on 2008-12-15 03:52:00 UTC
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Badfic writers are insane. Or perpetually twelve. I'm not sure - I don't think I want to know, or else I'll just go mad.
...and I'd fire the fourth-grade teacher who allowed such stuff outside their classroom ;)
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Sorry, but it looks like musicalverse by
on 2008-12-15 03:48:00 UTC
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is all that has actual Suefics; thanks anyway though.
And yeah, it's hard to tell, I guess. Ah, well.