You like progressive movements insofar as they don't make you uncomfortable and refuse to disrupt the current social fabric and order, yes, we get it. This is not an uncommon opinion.
You're a progressive and yet you use the exact same terminology and arguing points, constantly, as a conservative. You whinge about SJWs, you keep referring to TV shows as 'family shows' to justify them leaving out politics that you think are unsuitable. You do not outline what politics you do consider suitable for family television. I'm interested, a little, in what that might entail. I've never, ever once seen you act in any way to suggest you might be progressive, except when you say something arbitrarily in the middle of a rant to prove that you are. Your entire time here has been complaining about science fiction you dislike, and the reason you dislike that science fiction is because of its progressive political content. The one time you haven't complained about too much social progressiveness and too much politics in a media property was when you were arguing that you didn't care about the conservative and transphobic politics of Cyberpunk 2077.
Minh, you don't need to be progressive. Oh, I would rather you be. I'll disagree with you on many a thing, if you aren't, and I certainly do already. But that's fine, man, I disagree with plenty of people. Whatever.
I just find it really hard to believe you're as progressive as you keep saying considering that you consider the mediocre and audience-friendly leftism of hugely popular science fiction franchises, in which the examples you provided boldly dared to criticise blatant racism, Brexit, and Donald Trump, extremist, literally extremist, that's the word you used, the word people use to describe terrorists who kill people for their ideologies, you used that word.
These are not extremist positions, Minh! They, like, actually super aren't!
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Yes, yes, you're progressive by
on 2019-08-06 14:22:00 UTC
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So. by
on 2019-08-06 14:20:00 UTC
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First of all, apologies for getting shirty for your typo, but I'm even more upset now after your response.
1. "Feminazis" aren't simply trying to force their own opinions on people. They want to challenge oppressive ideologies that to this day cause a great deal of suffering to many people - people like myself, if you care to know. You might not like them, I myself disagree with Anita Sarkeesian on oh so many things, but if they "ruin your fun" by pointing out that certain media tropes and types of representation are actively harmful to people, maybe you should reexamine your own views. And trust me, diversity has NOT become the main hiring point in Hollywood. Wanting to give more work opportunities to more women, queer people and POC doesn't mean the poor fragile white men will be out of a job any time soon, trust me.
2. What you are doing here, Minh, is the very definition of gatekeeping. You don't get to say who is a true fan and who isn't. Anyone who likes a piece of media can call themselves a fan - that's the whole point of fandom culture. I don't care how much obscure trivia they do or don't know, or even if they like Star Trek without having seen the goddam Tribble episode. I don't even like the JJ Abrams movies but they were my gateway into TOS, does that mean I'm not a """true fan""" because I didn't start with """real Star Trek"""? And you don't get to say what is true canon and what isn't unless you write the damn thing. You can criticize it if you think is bad, like what you keep and keep and keep doing with Discovery, but I'm sorry, pal, if it's been written into the franchise, that means it's a part of it now. Deal with it.
And Minh? What you absolutely don't get to do is say that feminists are worse than actual Nazis who literally want people dead based on their ethnicity or sexuality. I'm genuinely amazed that you can say that and call yourself a progressive with a straight face.
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Re: mission by
on 2019-08-06 14:10:00 UTC
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Hurrrrrr wow. You, uh. You sure did find a badfic, there. Wow. Okay.
Yeah, when I saw this was a rapefic mission, I really didn't get very excited about reading this. Upon getting through, I'm glad you were able to keep the focus on the anatomical description failures and such to keep it humorous, rather than just the spectacle of the sex itself.
Ruxanda is cool. I like that she's kind of a laid back, not-angry vampire. I guess she doesn't have to worry about lung problems from all that vaping, since she's already dead and doesn't breathe.
I also liked seeing the little moments that show Melissa and May are already growing closer to each other, even though their personalities have a tendency to clash.
—doctorlit, more jump-scared by robot slash than robot murder
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And I forgot to full in my norm (nm) by
on 2019-08-06 13:48:00 UTC
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Re: I'll reply to you in a bit. by
on 2019-08-06 13:47:00 UTC
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Oops. Sooty, phone keyboard and a demerited autocorrect.
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I'll reply to you in a bit. by
on 2019-08-06 13:46:00 UTC
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Until then, do kindly try to get my name right next time.
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A few pointers on what I mean by
on 2019-08-06 13:43:00 UTC
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In response to mirage fontaine:
- By definition, I am progressive. I support gender equality. I support the gay rights movement. I am a advocate for action against climate change. I want the future to look more like what Star Trek envisions. What I do NOT support is the extreme left. Tumblrites. Femnazis (my least favourite kind of Nazi). Men-haters. Basically anyone who’s a dick about being progressive and tries to ruin the fun for everyone else. I despise people like Anita Sarkeesian because they want to corrupt a entire industry to fit their veiwpoint and their’s alone. I despise people like Alex Kurtzman, who make such a big deal over trivial things like ‘the first interacial gay couple on Star Trek’, before invoking the ‘Bury your Gays’ trope, and making the whole point moot anyway- just to tick a box on the ‘Social Justice’ checklist. Diversity has become the sole hiring quality in Hollywood. People who act worse than others in a specific role are now selected for their skin colour, sexuality or gender; rather than valid qualifiers like experience, skill, or even suitability for the roll they are tasked with playing. THIS is what pisses me off more than anything.
* BSG isn’t a problem for me. In retrospect, I shouldn’t have brought it up immediately after mentioning the bad stuff.
*I don’t gatekeep. What I don’t expect is to go onto a Trek message board, and encounter people who think that the Jar Jar Abrams movies are representative of real Star Trek. People used that “oh, I’m a fan because I watched three seconds of that movie” back when I was in Hogh School to bully me. I don’t appreciate a similar sentiment being used to qualify someone as a dedicated fan. Especially if they claim to have no idea what a Tribble is.
*My issue is with the writers, and how they can somehow hijack massive pillars of fandom without having watched ANY of the show that they’re writing for. It’s obvious from the entire first two seasons of Discovery that the writers hadn’t given more than a cursory SKIM through any of the five CANONICAL series of Trek. As in TOS through ENT. The disrespect to me as a dedicated fan, the canon violation that would qualify STD as badfic if it was as mundane as fanfiction...it’s criminal that none of those Peta’Q writers attempted to watch more than a cursory selection of episodes.
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Re: That is... by
on 2019-08-06 13:32:00 UTC
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Would anyone have reached out to Bram or known that you hurt her if she didn't break the rules? Two of my heroes are Rosa Parks and Claudette Colvin, so I don't consider breaking rules to be automatically bad. Bram even mentioned the rule that you should ask before taking offense, and no one did that for her. One of the first things she said to me was that she had a condition where she might sound insulting when she doesn't mean to.
Bram said that a boarder told her that she should have lied during the first encounter and it would have saved her from banning, and that she has only ever been punished when being truthful.
I did read where Phobos was unwilling to give her anything of substance.
If you don't want to hang out with a person because of their disability, I don't think you have a right to judge her.
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My fandoms by
on 2019-08-06 12:59:00 UTC
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Ah... a few people want to see my fandoms... well...
I am a fan of Steven Universe, Battle For Dream Island (abbreviated to BFDI), Don't Starve, Doctor Who, and Lobotomy Corporation (A rather obscure Korean indie game). I also have a few closeted fandoms...
Also, dibs on the first Lobotomy Corp badfic that dares show its face.
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Greetings, newbie! by
on 2019-08-06 12:50:00 UTC
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Welcome to the PPC! For your newbie gift, I give you an icicle sculpted into an object from your favourite fandom. Talking of which, what are your fandoms?
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Greetings, newbie! by
on 2019-08-06 12:46:00 UTC
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Welcome to the PPC! For your newbie gift, I give you a snowflake-shaped cookie. Hope you like it here!
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If you'd like to... by
on 2019-08-06 12:33:00 UTC
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...you could tell us more about your fandoms, the sort of stories you enjoy, and anything else about yourself you feel like sharing.
And just so you know, I also have a document with random snippets I plan to use in my writing. It's a good thing to have on hand when the Muse decides to drop in, isn't it? ;)
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Well then by
on 2019-08-06 12:32:00 UTC
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I liked it but can't think of much to say at the moment, not anything that hasn’t been said already anyway.
I noticed that you missed the last error spotted by doctorlit:
Peregrin, however, had quite forgotten what he had been doing what the console went off
Shouldn’t this be "when"?
HG
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Hello there, new person on the Board! by
on 2019-08-06 12:21:00 UTC
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Welcome to the PPC, we're glad you decided to join.
For your newbie gift, have a lucky Lincoln penny.
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Apologies for the random italics. by
on 2019-08-06 12:19:00 UTC
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I... seem to still have problems with formatting my text on the Board. Maybe I should have waited for my temper to cool a little so I could pay more attention to my typing.
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Minh... don't. Just don't. by
on 2019-08-06 12:18:00 UTC
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I'm glad you came to see why your previous attitude didn't mesh well with our community's standards, but I have huge problems with what you've said here.
I don't watch Doctor Who or BSG, so I can't pass judgment on the quality of those shows and the views expressed in them, but I've told you already that entertainment and politics aren't as separate as you seem to think. Your beloved Star Trek (which is also my beloved Star Trek, incidentally) has always, always been political. During the run of The Original Series, Nichelle Nichols was asked by Martin Luther King himself to stay on the show, because her character was so important for black representation in mainstream media in a time when the Civil Rights Movement was actively happening. You can hardly call Star Trek "not political" if you know... pretty much anything about the show. And you know, complaining about those damn SJWs and calling progressive writing "propaganda" is hardly a good way to convince us that you're on the progressive side yourself. That's all I'm going to say on this subject - I'll leave the rest to people who know more about these shows.
What I myself am getting very upset about here is your attitude towards nerd culture. I myself am a nerd, I myself was bullied pretty cruelly in middle school, and stories have always been my number one refuge. But - and this is very important - just because you love a story doesn't mean you own it>. Nerd culture is not an exclusive club anymore, and you don't get to dictate who and how can enjoy the stuff you like. I won't go into how Star Trek has always been mainstream because it's one of the biggest and oldest franchises in sci-fi - that's a rant for another day. But if you have a problem with your favorite shows and whatnot being accessible to more people than before, that's your problem, not theirs. You don't get to tell who does and doesn't get to be a part of nerd culture. Your enjoyment of something doesn't, or at the very least, shouldn't depend on who else happens to also like it.
You were disappointed in Discovery, and it was a big deal for you, I can understand that. I myself have had giant disappointments in fandoms that were literally keeping me alive in dark times, but that doesn't mean I get to cry about how MY THINGS PERSONALLY were ruined. These fandoms don't belong to you, or to the Elite Nerd Club. Your opinions and love for them does - but that's it.
Complain about the quality of TV shows and other stories, sure. But don't say that they were ruined because they became mainstream. Don't gatekeep, Minh - it's anything but progressive.
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I forgot something! by
on 2019-08-06 11:24:00 UTC
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Here's my profile: https://ppc.fandom.com/wiki/User:ExpressTrain2MyBrain
Ignore my stupid name.
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I Exist. by
on 2019-08-06 11:23:00 UTC
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Ok, so... uh...
I would like to introduce myself. I am just another humble internet denizen. I frequent DeviantArt, Discord, and YouTube, where you may (or may not) find traces of my presence.
...Why am I using all these fancy words!?
Ok, ok. I have been, until recently, an admirer from afar. However, I am, at best, an amateur. I want to learn, and that is why I'm here. I think this is a good way to learn better ways on how to write.
I am interested in writing fanfic. Specifically, humorous fanfics about humus. Nah, just kidding! I do have ideas about fanfics where characters play tabletop games/video games.
I like creating. Menacing monsters, deadly diseases, perilous places... I have a little document on notes where I keep snippets of dialogue, descriptions of ideas, strange combinations of words, and outrageous misspellings that I plan to use as names.
Erm... am I dragging this out for too long? I feel kinda awkward as I don't quite know how to talk to people I've never met, let alone introduce myself without seeming self-centred.
Anyways that's me goodbye!
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DID SOMEBODY SAY RANGERÂ’S APPRENTICE?? by
on 2019-08-06 09:48:00 UTC
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Hey newbie! Have a plate of SPaGhetti! Always good to find a fellow RA fan!
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An apology...of sorts. by
on 2019-08-06 07:15:00 UTC
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Disclaimer: I've put this on google docs so that you can choose to read this or not. If you really don't like even the tiniest hint of a rant, only read the first paragraph or two. I do go into depth about why I dislike what's going on right now, and I did try not to go into a angry, insulting tone. If you want to read the rant bit as well, that's your call. I would prefer if you did...but again, that's your choice. Comment below if you want to.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cX6obeiwbpbPaAaVOYE6H94tK3Zr4SNHKR5uf2ygk/edit?usp=sharing
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Early warning: All Write tomorrow! by
on 2019-08-06 06:04:00 UTC
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At ~7pm Seattle time tomorrow (~10pm eastern, 3am London, etc), I will be hosting yet another All Write on the Discord! The agenda will go as follows:
7pm: I will post a prompt and start a timer!
7-7:30pm: Everyone writes! Put words on pages.
7:30-???: Concrit! We'll share pieces in turn, read them, and comment.
???: And I'll post the wrap-up on the Board.
See you all tomorrow!
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Nice debut! by
on 2019-08-06 05:36:00 UTC
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While I don't have a good visual image of Peregrin or Taq, I do get a very clear sense of what they're like just from their dialogue and mannerisms. You might want to consider working in some descriptive details about them, in the next story if not this one. I know we tend to be gun-shy about descriptions after all the urple prose and costume porn we're subjected to, but some is good. {= )
Some technical things I caught:
> Taq said,“Hey, boss,
Missing space between the comma and open quote mark.
> charges.” Peregrin said quietly.
and
> her supposed parents.” he said.
Should be a comma after "charges" and after "parents".
> Once everyone looked younger and, in Taq’s case, more human, he pulled up the portal and stepped through into the fic, with Taq following closely behind him.
This sentence has a couple readability issues. I'd fix as follows:
>> Once both agents looked younger and, in Taq’s case, more human, Peregrin pulled up the portal and stepped through into the fic. Taq followed closely behind him.
"Everyone" --> "both agents" is more of a style choice, but I figured I'd throw it in while I was at it. {= P
And, the big one: when you're using smart quotes, it's kind and decent and good to make sure you have apostrophes where you need apostrophes, not open single-quote marks, which should only be used to open a quotation. Since you're using them so very much in Taq's dialogue, it's especially noticeable that lots of them are backwards. ^^; For an example that should show this clearly:
> Oh, ‘n ‘er dad’s Fawkes. ‘E got renamed too.
Should look like:
>> Oh, ’n ’er dad’s Fawkes. ’E got renamed, too.
(Plus a comma.) The benefit of this is that it will be more clear when you're actually starting a nested quotation, as in the following line:
> “‘M addin’ ‘changin’ hair color twice in one day’ to the list.”
>> “’M addin’ ‘changin’ hair color twice in one day’ to the list.”
On to random commentary!
> Nearby, a bread roll in a straw hat walked past the train on one leg and one arm.
Is that a RollFeet cameo? {= D Either that or I have no idea what's going on in that line. Actually, I don't know what's going on in that line either way, but if it's RollFeet I don't much mind.
> how Ron was letting his predigests influence him.
I mean, they say you are what you eat...
> Jason Mason
That is a perfectly normal given name and a perfectly normal surname. Technically, there's nothing wrong with it. It just sounds so silly that no one in their right mind would ever name a child that. {X D My best guess is that Draco is being a jerk, and/or that's what he really thinks Muggle names are like, having never interacted with any Muggles.
>Taq caught a glimpse of the Headmaster, winced, and looked away. “And I was just gettin’ to the big fight with Voldemort,” he grumbled as he put his book away.
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>Taq’s comment startled Peregrin away from his work. “Hm?” he said, looking around in confusion. “Oh, yes, mission soon. Thank you for the reminder.”
Was that passage meant to feel like a bit of a time warp back to the beginning of the story?
... I feel like there was something else, but I don't recall. I will close by saying I particularly like the occasional lapses of Peregrin's speech. You don't leave out anything really important, you show his absent-mindedness, and you don't do it too often. That makes it fun. ^^
~Neshomeh
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Yeah, that's true. by
on 2019-08-06 05:31:00 UTC
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I was upset, but I'll try my best to not let it get to me next time.
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Thanks! by
on 2019-08-06 02:23:00 UTC
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Thanks for the two cents. So, by "this" I meant the PPC community thing. The stories you guys wrote seen interesting and it looks like there's some nice discussions on here. I hope I'll be able to contribute in one way or another.
Also, about the fandoms I like... I guess there's Ranger's Apprentice, Wings of Fire, the MCU, Plants vs Zombies, and the list just kind of goes on. But thanks for asking!