Subject: Re: Well, let's see.
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Posted on: 2014-08-22 14:59:00 UTC
It looks awesome.
Subject: Re: Well, let's see.
Author:
Posted on: 2014-08-22 14:59:00 UTC
It looks awesome.
It's a great--if completely insane--idea. I can't help, though. Sorry.
-Aila
Right now I'm making a start on a 15-blocks-per-mile Minecraft replica of Konti-Nyuum... Kanun and Spelin help me.
hS
It's missing Ydyff, which should be in the middle of the eastern sea somewhere.
(It stands for IDF, in case that wasn't obvious.)
My plan for if I enlarge the map to encompass the North-East Continent, is to add a bunch of islands to the far north which represent real-world places and entities. Nusantara is up there, and possibly even the mythical Arell itself. The reason I haven't put them in is that Arell is mythical, Nusantara is implied to be in another world (and tropical besides), and Ydyff is both 'in the far north' and close enough for Thanasius to sail to 'every few months', in a medieval setting. There's clearly something unnatural between Weab and the Northern Isles; I'm just not sure what.
hS
That's what you get when you want to get too many references in. Put it Oop North. As to the way, I suspect something similar to the straight road to the West might be involved.
hS
This is amazing.
Also, just a nitpick that has no impact and has a 9/10 chance of not being seen, crescents in heraldry are usually points up. (Then again, this is supposed to be symbolic of a moon, so I prefer this anyways.)
You're right that technically this is a crescent points sinister, or a decrescent, which apparently symbolises the waning moon.
hS
(PS: Of course I'll see! The 'next page' button used to be used all the time, back when we ran through an entire Front Page every single day!)
...Ehhh, I like to think of me being more of a waxing moon...
Should the "crescent points sinister (or whatever the other direction is)" be added to the charge?
Either that the crescent should be points upwards, or the significance of left-right.
Either way, it's now updated. Though actually, I'd forgotten that 'dexter' is from the POV of the bearer - ie, facing left for the viewer. So it was always waxing.
hS
Drawing a coat of arms takes time that I don't have at the weekend. You'll get them on Monday.
hS
Most people have free time in the weekend, not mid-week. What sorcery is this? Can it be taught?
Nah, the reason is that at the weekends, I spend my time with my wife and children; during the week, I spend enough time in transit, on lunch-break, etc etc, to muck about with things like this. It's a conscious decision I've made.
Plus, most of my files aren't at home with me. So there's that.
hS
I'd accept the retconning of the C. Wichen road and/or have An'onere visit Are-Pea instead of Chatt-zei. The C.Wichen road will probably be the hardest of the two to let go of, as it symbolizes how creepypasta and grimdark fanfics led me from Sonic to Pokémon, then from there to MLP and the PPC...
I originally imagined Are-Pea as a wilderness, sort of between everywhere and everywhere else, or running through multiple nations, but definitely a place you could go. I suppose I could just say I was practicing the art of Arpying in the wilds of Niyopehtz, though, since that's where I did most of my role-playing anyway...?
~Neshomeh
The nations of the Are-Pea Alliance no doubt have wilderness areas; you can say you're in 'the wilderness of Are-Pea' in the same sense that you can be in 'the wilderness of North America'. Yes, you could also specify that you're in northern Montana - but you don't have to.
hS
And shrunk down massively... this is the source.
You're right about the bend - oops! I had it in my head that Phobos' was a normal bend, which would make your sinister... fixing for the Cyclopaedia now.
hS
You can view it side by side with the impaled arms (which I haven't changed) and make the decision.
hS
That's pretty well described, though Ye Knights Of Olde would be horrified that you've put so much on it - 'How art we to identifieth her upon the field battleish?' they'd demand in incredibly bad Olde Englishe. You may end up getting a slightly larger shield than most of them...
The one question I have is, what's the relationship of the teacup and the elanor (ha ha, by the way)? Is the elanor a design on the cup? In the cup? Above, below, or next to the cup? Enquiring minds want to know! (Partly because I need to make it...)
hS
Just for that though, I'm going to have to make up some appropriately garish Marizu heraldry. :P
For drawing purposes, I'm guessing they'd mostly be the colour they're based on, with 'glittery' flecks in. So Urpure would be purple with pink glitter, Arghent is white with 'silver' flecks... not sure about Vantasable, though. Have to be something suitably hilarious.
hS
With saucer, since I failed to specify that before.
~Neshomeh
Hopefully I'll actually get around to writing the tale of the Swordsman before this thread drops off the front of the Board, but until then I have at least managed to come up with some heraldry (I hope I got this description right):
Per bend, sable, between a quill bendwise Or and a sword bendwise Argent, a bend Gules
I'm going to have to go through and see just how many people have pens in their devices... wildly more than in real-world heraldry, for sure.
... only five? Well, it's still way more than the norm...
hS
I can't find any examples of a charge overlapping an ordinary, so maybe it's just Not Done. You could maybe cheat by adding a pair of sable bars to the edges of the bend, but... honestly, I'll just draw it the way you describe it and leave it at that.
hS
You've got two different kinds of bend in there. Were you looking for a field split between black and red, or a black field with a red bar across it (which would be in violation of the Rule of Tincture, but that's neither here nor there)? Or something else?
hS
I did wonder about giving a plain text description of what I wanted too, just to make it clear, but thought that I'd got a handle on the heraldic language. Oh well.
Out of interest, how should I have phrased it?
'Per bend' indicates that the field is divided into two halves, so has to be paired with two colours - 'per bend, sable and gules'. Since you want the field to be a solid colour, with a bend gules placed over it as a charge, your blazon should start with 'Sable, between' etc. So you were really close!
(Image coming soon)
hS
CLEVER.
I've deliberately left a few things vague; the southern branch of the mountains aren't labelled, in case someone comes up with a better idea than keeping them as part of the Bravneits. Equally, the question of whether the Meibot flows past Flayme or Medyantur is unanswered - it's entirely possible, given geography further west, that neither of its tributaries share its name.
hS
Just from where I described its span, Medyantur is right there. Flayme I wasn't so sure about though, which is why I didn't name that one - much like I wasn't sure whether to bother naming the tributaries of the Nechsiv or the second river that goes past the southern part of La Wunj. I might throw something together later, I just wanted to get some of the map laid down before this thread got off the page - hope it's been helpful. Might have a stab at a short story later too.
(And yeah, I wasn't sure if the southern mountains would count as another range or not. Went off the fact the Larninkurvs keep the same name throughout their span.)
Obviously tying in to the actual IRC channels we use, and going with the general theme of chat-related names for the geography (Bravenet, Sorcery.net, Nickserv etc.).
I'd assumed the river near Flayme wasn't the main body of the Meibot, since it originates in what is now Borrd, but who knows. This could be something in-universe cartographers argue about. :P I'll come up with some other names for stuff later.
(Also, for national anthems, I get the vibe that Iric's would be something based off "Amhrán na bhFiann" but I'm not the best at adapting lyrics. Part of that is admittedly running with how you've said it's probably analogous to Ireland, as well as its genesis from a revolt against Borrd and the revival of a dead kingdom.)
I assume "Ozerbord" is "other board", am I correct? Where is this other board?
Or, rather, here.
... the sable chevron on vert is a similar violation. So, is there a significance to black-on-green?
hS
Well, black is one of my favorite colors, and green is one of the main colors of the "Anonymouse" thing I have going. (You know, because Anonymous.) Also, black on green (er, green on black) is a stereotypical color scheme for text-based operating systems like MS-DOS in fiction AND outside of fiction, like in The Matrix- and I plan on going into computer programming in RL.
I guess I could add a white outline to the chevron inverted, though I dunno how to do that in the blazon, and I dunno about the pen...
Vert, between a single open book argent and a fountain pen sable with tip Or, a chevron inverted sable.
I really like Agog's shield. Really-really like it. IRL, AGoG stands for 'A Game of Gods'; it is one of the longest-running crossover RPs over there at TvTropes. In fact, it was my first RP there and, probably, the reason I got known in the first place.
Also, because Elvish heraldry is fun, here's Death Dendle's device:
Ner blue, rena silver; canta nastar alta tera, bluebird wing-feather with black highlights; indil in fore, a white jawless skull; indil woven with stems of feathers, circular green braid.
hS
Dunastuvaryorz - a city in Vidya Gaym. It is known for its warriors, said to be able to defeat hundreds of regular men in battle; they are also known for their outlandish weaponry and their petty squabbles amongst themselves.
After all, one is the shadow of the other...
It really is. I'll probably make my heraldry soon.
Although, many of the sites are confusing - I get some references, but others? Not so much.
What would be nice is a separate page that has the equivalents of real world sites on the weab web. It would be helpful to us confused people and to writers, who may want to expand upon this universe.
Also, can anyone participate in this?
Volume 8 of the Cyclopaedia is now officially a work in progress, to explain all (ha ha) the references.
And, yes, anyone can join in. Provided they're in the PPC.
hS
It's the pseudo-Russian pronunciation - the Cyrillic U looks like Y and the V - like W.
*squeak, squeak*
That one was fun - if tiring!
hS
And fie upon those who dare take her land.
*quietly sends out spies to assess the holdings of her fellow barons, as well as the state of her own*
Yes, that's a 'grey cat proper', which is the correct way to outright cheat at colours in heraldry. :D
hS
It's bizarre how respectable a 'trussed chicken' can look...
hS
Thank you very much!
Quite why the Tungsten Monk rides to battle displaying the ancient feud of Wolf and Ram is entirely beyond me... :D
hS
[[I love it, hS! Thank you so much.
And yes, it's totally inexplicable why such a device should be used. No idea at all. Whatsoever. :D]]
Mostly where I refer to TM as "the monk Wolfram," I'd like it changed to reflect what TM uses.
(Also, hi Tungsten! Good story you've got, nice seeing you popping in.)
Two questions, though:
1) What is "the Way of Uf?"
2) Could you please tell me what "Airi-junal Uf Buk" is supposed to stand for? I'm guessing that the first word is "original," right?
The Way of Uf is my favored genre--urban fantasy, usually abbreviated to UF in text conversations. And yes, Airi-junal is the dreaded Original UF Book, a project which simultaneously delights its writer but also opens said writer to new potential legal issues when engaging in fandom fun. :( It's why I'm not active in the PPC much; when you're building a career writing fiction, you have to pull back from fandom.
Wikipedia has a lovely chart of ten heraldic eagles, so thanks go to Russia (for the eagle) and Spain (for the tail). Great work, massive brutal oppressive empires!
hS
Welcome back! Um, I apologize if I hurt your feelings at all, messing up your gender pronoun.
I've been reading through a lot of your Alec stuff, trying to fill out his wiki page. Thanks for giving me some guidelines in this thread; you've saved me a lot of work! Along the way, I've also become a total fan of the world you built for Alec. So I just wanted to wish you good luck and good skill in your future publishing endeavors, and say that I look forward to reading the full series once it's complete!
Also, while you're here, I don't suppose you've got copies saved of any PPC stories we're missing from the wiki?
I'm not upset at all. It's confusing to me too. Sadly.
So, you're the poor guy Lee was talking about trying to make sense of Alec's history. I'm sorry about Alec's convolutedness. (Just a wee bit.) Thank you for your compliments and likes of my world and works. Right now you'll just have to live with the non-fiction book.
I might? I'd have to look.
*sits on Kippur, just because she can*
Mine!
*challenges you to the right of dominance*
MINE! MINE! MINE!
I heard my name and came when bidden.
Aaaand honestly, I'm not too hip on the internet cultures, even the more famous websites, so I don't understand most of the jokes/history behind the nations of Weab. I don't even recognize half the names.
But I am sorry for screwing that up. Feel free to make any changes necessary to the story to make it fit correctly. (That includes the medieval voice, too; I probably let some more modern phraseology in by mistake, knowing me.)
Argent, a pretzel proper above a quill azure with shaft vert.
((I think that's right? I'm not entirely sure, to be honest.))
It looks awesome.
Because I never did do this last time 'round. (Citizens do get heraldry, don't they?)
oval, per bend, sable and argent, between lotus argent and book sable, bend vert
Did I do that right?
-Aila
I love it. A lot.
-Aila
...but I still think mine's better. ^_^
Seriously though, very cool.
Ahem, here's my coat of arms.
Gules, a indented bend sinister or, a sword argent bendwise over a mace sable bendwise sinister.
Also, I don't have the time now for a story, but the Fast Seneschal in Karrin The Blue's history is supposed to be me.
Oh, and considering I was "knighted" by Neshomeh I choose the Commonwealth of Wechi as my abode.
I think that's the first use of alternate lines we've had...
hS
That a mace ISN'T what I thought a mace was. What I was looking for was the warhammer (as I was looking for something tool-like)
You can fix it if you want, but I'm fine with this too.
There you go. It does look rather more, uh, spiky, at the least...
hS
A sham Ace Combat Infinity doesn't allow for custom insigna on the planes, 'cause I would be using this,
You have Sarge in the Cyclopaedia twice; once as 'Sergio Turbo' and once as 'the Fast Seneschal'.
I've checked the Cyclopaedia, and it seems that Iximaz's motto is missing. The translation is a few posts down from here.
(Sorry if I'm jumping the gun, Iximaz!)
Were you thinking of something like this?
hS
Would you like some help with that line at the end? It seems that you were trying to translate something into Latin. Something about writing and reading?
P.S.: I forget if you were around when hS first came up with Plort, so I apologize if this is old news to you: "Translatin" is Boarder!Huinesoron's term for Google-Translate Latin.
I thought there was something off about it, but I'd left my Latin textbook in my locker and tried to go from memory. Considering I've been derping my way trough today (I seriously said the Dative case was for prepositions, no joke -- ), I'm not surprised I screwed it up.
Help would be much appreciated. ^^'
So sue me for being corny. :P
The scribio thing... I think it might have been a derp on my part. I'm not sure.
As for the rest, thank you so much! I'm only just starting my second (high school level) year of Latin, so that was all news to me.
BTW, how far have you gotten in your studies? I took Latin in college, and from what you just said, it seems that topics come at you a lot faster than in high school. IIRC, by the end of my second semester, we had already gone over all five declensions and at least the present tense of all "four" conjugations (i.e., the -are verbs, the -ēre verbs, the -ĕre verbs (of which scribere is one), the "third -io" verbs (i.e. verbs like jacio, jacere, jeci, jactus) and the -ire verbs).
hS
It's a bit big for him, but I'm sure he'll cope.
hS
I'd actually had a stab at the charge myself with a generator, which also gave me the blazon. That had ended up coming out something like this, if you'll pardon the Paint job where Dann took out the supporters and such:
That's a crown Or. And I'm pretty sure that's plain gules, not sanguine...
hS, nitpicker
But hey, at least I didn't attempt the Elvish heraldry. It probably would've been butchered beyond recognition.
Per bend sinister sable and azure, between bendwise daggers argent points inward, on a bend sinister argent a bendwise sinister line of four dice gules each depicting six pips argent.
I hope that will suffice.
-Baron Phobos
At least, I think it was clear... maybe I've got it horribly wrong! I kind of doubt it, though.
hS
The heraldry of Storme of Hauk can be described as.
"Per saltire, sable, gules, sable and vert. An arrow argent above an arrow or."
But I like it, thanks
I'm perfectly willing to redo if you give me pointers. See Ekyl's above.
hS
I've tried to create it in paint, but that's failed three times now. I was thinking that the argent arrow would be purely in the top sable sector, and the or arrow would be purely in the bottom sable sector, and perhaps both arrows to be pointing towards the center. Although I'm not sure if I needed some extra words to have specified that.
Pretty much the only extra words were 'points inwards'. That implies that the two both point to the centre of the saltire, which would necessitate them both sitting entirely in the sable. It means smaller arrows, of course, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
hS
... Critta' has been partially merged with a neighbouring fishing village to create the port of Critta-Kalthin. We're hoping to draw in a lot of trade from the far north, possibly by shipping out those clothes your orcs make. You can rest assured that I will not be permitting Baron Phobos to exact his ideas of 'justice' against your people, but will instead be building Critta-Kalthin and its hinterlands into a port to rival Mei'n Payj or Tumbalar.
~Baron Huinesoron (etc etc etc)
[[I mean, I don't exactly have claim to GDocs but when I was writing the original story of Sir Ekyl it seemed a good way to reflect how much of my stuff has been co-written with Cassie, and how much of the rest is in my Google Drive waiting to actually be finished. I'm not above making fun of myself. Besides, it sounded nice and castle-y. :P]]
[[Disclaimer: Thanasius Ampelius isn't me, etc, etc.]]
To the enlightened Barons of Plort, etc, etc:
Stop squabbling. We have other, more pressing needs to attend to. The Marizu armies are growing in strength, and our own land is full of internal strife. Now is not the time for petty disputes; now is the time to act, to once again ride against the Marizu in splendour and drive them back to whence they came.
-signed, Thanasius Ampelius of Ozerborrd
The suggestion of Sir Ekyl that the road from Godreve be integrated into the trade network by the establishment of a highway to Borrd itself is welcomed by Baron Huinesoron. We suggest, however, that the question of who should be contracted to build the road be considered at length by Baron Cassie, rather than simply granting the task to Sir Ekyl's favoured workers.
[[Pure in-universe fluff - Baron Huinesoron wants to make sure the Council gets a fair deal]]
~Baron Huinesoron