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So that's 2 confirmed bit characters, one unconfirmed bit character (the Goa'uld host may count as one), 1 Mary Sue and a group of Jaffa soldiers with guns who would probably Qualify as bit characters ... I'm rather foolish aren't I.

Me writing fanfiction ... http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4620240/1/TheTransmissionofasignal ... I'm far too much of a coward to even finish that so its not going to happen, I just like Janet too much to risk writing her wrong.

~rawfotra_eht, AKA AbscondingCascade, AKA Life is a paradox, AKA he who will probably never get the courage to finish (well ... begin(1)) his first fanfiction, AKA he who thinks the internet is so useful as without it he would probably never get to say "I have many names(2)".

(1) I've only written a prologue so realistically ... it probably doesn't even count as a fanfiction.

(2) http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IHaveManyNames

But I don't. So I put it on the Unclaimed Badfic list. It's now sixth-down in Crossovers.

~Neshomeh, who used to write like that, with all the annoying parentheses, when she was in junior high and high school. Blargh. Ick.

And while I'm thinking about it, would you please change the occupants of RC #1110 to Derik and Earwig? Agent Neshomeh has long since transferred to the Department of Personnel to be an Archivist.

~Neshomeh, who may or may not be the same person as Agent Neshomeh, depending on the day and her mood.

Back on the 3rd of April 2009 I meant to join the Board because of the fic Raider's Descent but real life intervened and I forgot to join and report it. The problem is that I think that I may have been the only person to see it as it isn't on The list of Claimed Badfic, Unclaimed Badfic, Killed badfic or the Complete List of PPC Fiction( though I could have missed it).

For those lucky people who haven't read Raider's Descent I present to you its Summary, a link to it, a description about its sue by its creator and a link to my horrified review about it.

Summary: What would happen if Buffy & Spike's kid came to Hogwarts? What if Lara Croft raised her? What happens when she’s sorted into Slytherin? Will she convince her fellow snakes to think for themselves? Or will they devour her from beneath?

A link to its 4,817 words of pain: http://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-18876/SlytherinSlayer+Raider+s+Descent.htm

A description of the Mary Sue by its creator:
AMANDA SUMMERS CROFT

• Birthday: April 1, 1990

• Daughter of Master Vampire Spike and Buffy Summers, The Slayer

• Half Vampire/Half Slayer and all witch

• Has enhanced strength, speed, senses, agility, stamina, which she gets from her vampire father.

• Has not grown into her Slayer powers yet.

• Not as strong as a fledgling yet, but with practice she should be able to dust one with combining strength with skill.

• Genius on certain subjects

• Good at Martial Arts- a blend of Mixed Martial Arts, Karate, and Krav Mag.

• Also well taught in weapons, and technology

• Very observant and adaptable

• She is loyal, fierce, brave, cunning, sneaky, headstrong, resourceful, and passionate

• She will be a strong leader when she grows up

• She loves puzzles and learning things that are practical and that interest her.

Appearance

• Eye Color: Green

• Hair Color: Blonde- mid back length. Later it will be Blonde with red and black hi-lites.

• Height after she finishes growing around 5’4 ½ “

• Weight: 105-110lbs. Toned and trimmed with a tan.

• She has Spike’s high check bones, mouth, and aristocratic air about her. From Buffy, she got her height, nose, and everything else.

• Amanda normally wears designer pants that fit in all the right places and a band tee. She also favors cargo pants, leather, short sleeve shirts like her aunt.

Personality

• Amanda has Spike’s dry, sarcastic wit and humor.

• She’s sporty, athletic, and loves to train.

• She especially loves weapons of all kinds. Ex. Firearms, swords, knifes…

• She is a smart-ass rebel with a daredevil sense of adventure.

• She is confident in herself but sometimes gets to cocky and impatient

• More to come.

My (AbscondingCascade) horrified review about it: http://www.tthfanfic.org/Reviews-18876/

Now please tell me that Amanda Summers Croft is dead not alive twisting Buffy, Harry Potter and Tomb Raider canon together into a horrible mess. As if she lives then I deserve to be put alone in a room with a possessed Sky Silvestry ...

To be a character, even a bit character, requires... well, characterization. They have to actually do something in the story. What's-his-name, the guy who shows SG-1 around when they first get to the Commonwealth, is a bit character (minor character at best) and could be assassinated or recruited. The guy who shows them how to use the TVs on the train is a bit character, and he does so little he'd either disappear or assimilate with the canon as soon as the Sue's influence was removed.

The other System Lords don't actually play a role in the fic, either. They are never shown to interact with the Sue (unless I missed something). Therefore, when she's gone and the canon snaps back to normal, the worst that could happen is that they'd be left with a nagging sense that they forgot something. Maybe her name. But, in the face of the realities of canon, they'd soon forget all about it and be just fine without intervention from the PPC.

All this is based on traditional PPC conventions. In our canon, if you will, that's just the way things work.

Everything in fanfic and the PPC is strongly determined by the fact that we're dealing with a written work. No matter how much we treat the effects of badfic as real effects on a real world, at the heart of it, it's all just Words. If it doesn't occur in the Words, it isn't important.

As for recruiting dead canons, yes, it has happened, but only as something rare and unusual. The rule of thumb is, if you want to write about the canon characters, the thing to do is write a fanfic, not turn the PPC into one.

... I mean, okay, the PPC is sort of a cosmopolitan group fanfic. But the point is to protect the various canons and leave them undisturbed, not to drag their people in here just because one person feels like it. Generally speaking, if a canon character gets recruited, it's because they are NOT the real character, but an Alternate Universe version. They often take on new names so as to avoid confusion and are somewhat different from their canon counterparts.

~Neshomeh, who's going to stop now before she confuses herself.

Unless anyone else feels like they can add something better?

We can't be the only RK fans on this board, can we?

--Mystia

"Brought to us courtesy of GreyLadyBast, Pink Stuff is a brightly colored alcohol that is almost lethally potent and leaves killer hangovers. Drunkenness ensues almost immediately after consumption, and the Stuff is available to almost anybody. Warning: Should you choose to drink Pink Stuff, you will be in severe pain for several hours until it wears off, unless you can manage to get a hold of:

Purple Stuff: The only thing in existence that will alleviate the hangover from Pink Stuff. Purple Stuff kicks in almost immediately, and it is generally recommended that you have your Purple Stuff on hand before you drink Pink Stuff. Unlike Pink Stuff, however, Purple Stuff is only available for PPC and OFUM (and other OFUs) staff members, or from GreyLadyBast personally. However, while Bast gives out Pink Stuff freely, she is a bit stingier with Purple Stuff. Especially if you’re a fangirl."

For a complete list of supposedly edible/drinkable substances: http://oddlots.digitalspace.net/PPC/PPC_menu.html

My problem is actually continuing where my partner left off. I keep being jarred by how my style is different from his so I can't make the transition between the chapters he covered and the chapters I will cover. Though I suppose that's just a matter of practice makes perfect.

--Mystia

Just presenting a worst case scenario ... I admit that its highly unlikely that the 32 billion (it may be retconned to 83 billion) are going to be Mary Sues but I thought they qualified as bit characters but if they don't then it actually will be relatively simple to pull off this if it becomes a mission.
Though Baal, Lord Yu, Oshu the First Prime of Lord Yu, Camulus, Amaterasu and possibly Anubis knows about her so do we have to neuralise them? Or do we just have to Neuralise Stargate command as I'm a fan of Lord Yu and with his senility is it safe to neuralise him? Oh ... is it possible to neuralise Anubis?

Also while I try and remember to apply Occam's razor I usually forget due to my imagination and paranoia. BTW thank you for telling me about the KISS principle which has now become one of my favourite acronyms (along with TARDIS and WRDD!(1))

P.S it seems my Tv Tropes obsession is having negative affects ... http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySueTopia.

P.P.S I've heard that The PPC can recruit dead canon characters ... has Janet Fraiser(2) been recruited yet? As she is a brilliant doctor who would be a great addition to the medical team.

(1) We're doomed. DOOMED! (I don't remember where I heard it but I love It :) )

(2) WHY Did Speakertocustomers let her die! He's a fanfiction writer he could have not mentioned her or allowed her to live but no ... he puts this line in to the fic "A short time later came the mission on which Dr Janet Fraiser was killed"! Janet deserves more than ONE MEASLEY LINE if you going to kill her! She Deserves at least an entire Chapter if you going to KILL HER! … Sorry for shouting … I may have a small crush on the Fantastically Wonderful Doctor Janet Fraiser … *sighs*.

Note: Sorry about using footnotes but I couldn't find a way to work them into the text without making it awkward.

...but I don't really mind characters with angsty backgrounds - depending on how they're handled. I think some of the main problems come from when the angsty past is being used to say either 'no-one has ever suffered like she has! Because she is just that Speshul!', or 'look at how much horrible stuff she's been through! You should all love her and feel sorry for her!'. But I don't think that bad things in a character's past are automatically a sign of Sueishness.

If you're looking for some more detailed advice, you could try checking out limyaael's fantasy rants on Livejournal. She did a number of rants on angst (http://limyaael.livejournal.com/tag/rants+on+angst), including one on how to handle abused characters.

Red Eyes
Kyouya Nakamura is a highschool student in Cardiff. Sounds simple enough, but it turns out that Kyouya has a dark secret. Who is he? And what happens when a man named Jack Harkness appears at his school? Jack/OC Warning: Rated M for later chapters. YAOI!

Jack Stu, first person, Jack is a teenager in a 21st century Cardiff high school and apparently there is only one emo in all of Cardiff.

If one would expect him/her to not be the only one with that sort of background woe in this sort of setting, it's not Sueish.

I'm currently working on an original fantasy story, and I'm kind of... I wouldn't say freaking out, but I'm definitely worried about Mary Sues and stuff.

To give you the short version, my story takes place during a really rather vicious war between two factions of people, one side of which is conceited to the point of being genocidal. Most of my main protagonists are from the side that is fighting to not be massacred. This catastrophic war has been going on for about a decade.

I know that an angsty past like being orphaned, enslavement, imprisonment, yadda yadda yadda, is one of those little urple flags that go up when it comes to Sueishness. But if most of my protagonists are from a group of people who are seriously in danger of being wiped out, I'd think readers would expect a little suckage in their pasts. What I mean is, does it really count against them, in terms of whether they're Mary Sues?

I don't know who coined the term Mary Sue Topia, but it wasn't us. We strive to take more of an Occam's Razor approach with a side of the KISS principle. (I trust you know how to look those up if you're not familiar with them.)

The original point of the PPC is to do things as subtly and humorously as possible. A mission to start a galactic war does not qualify.

~Neshomeh

It's "One's made of white plastic and is dangerous for children to play with and the other one's a grocery bag".

Keller is okay but compared to who she replaced, She just can't fill those shoes.
With a Science-fiction show you expect the finally to be big and changing not a mediocre episode that is as bad as that Doctor-lite episode in Series 2 of new-who.
Now if you'll excuse me its 21 minutes past midnight (GMT) where I am so I'm going to try and catch a few REM cycles.

Is that it's not actually entirely "complete", though. There's a fair few things that've yet to get on there. Still a lot of stuff, though.

Note: I may exhibit paranoia and plan for the worst case scenario but I do so as to ensure that any potential agents that might be sent on a possible mission to this fic (if it is deemed necessary for a mission to happen) come back as safe as possible. As I like to say "Curiosity killed the cat, Paranoia could have saved it".

" Could the ancient Egyptians have built brick houses? Perhaps, but we do it better and in less time, and we have a whole hell of a lot more houses than the Egyptians ever did." Yes but we need bricks to do it and there aren't enough resources in 27 solar systems to build such a fleet. The only way I can see to build such a fleet would require the resources of hundreds maybe thousands of worlds. Using the Serrakin (http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Serakin) as an example of an advanced industrialized democratic Stargate race with the capability to take on the Goa'uld they never showed the capability to produce 444 ships (12,000 ships divided by 27 planets = 444.44) that were on the same level as a Ha'tak class mother ship.

"I still don't see how the SGC finding a diplomatic solution counts as giving up hope." Ah I seem to have phrased my previous post in an incoherent manner .... Well its that all their efforts seem to be in diplomacy not in trying to find a way to stop this super fleet; which is out of character for Stargate command.

"If one Goa'uld Queen was able to have a change of heart, why not another? As the Tok'ra point out, "Not all Goa'uld are the same.""
Egeria unfortunately appears to be the only exception to the rule that normal Goa'uld (Tok'ra don't count due to Egerias ability to manipulate their genetic memories) can realise that their megalomania is wrong. Even the mostly sane Goa'uld Baal is an untrustworthy snake (pun/joke not intended).

"As to how Ninmah's society was allowed to develop, if she was a strong enough System Lord to hold her own in battle, why not? I'll grant you that her being that powerful is a big stretch, but if you allow for that, the rest is feasible." the Goa'uld are too paranoid to allow one of their own 800 years to build a civilisation capable of destabilizing their image as gods. They would have realistically found out due to minor goa'uld(s) in Ninmah's ranks about her little experiment in its infancy.

"At the very most, you've got some bad logic and one Mary-Sue" what we have here is an example of a Mary Sue Topia (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySueTopia) in my opinion. Which means at best we have to kill 32 billion brain dead bit characters and one Mary sue at worst we have to deal with 83 billion fanatically loyal Mary sues lead by a Mary sue Queen.

The Dakara superweapon is a quick way to ensure we don't have to go kill them all personally. Getting control of it may actually not be such a pain as we just have to portal in to the control room, trick the canon Jaffa into going some else for a bit (hologram of Baal or something), reprogram the local Stargate to dial all 27 planets in this commonwealth and then trigger the dakara superweapon then destroy the non canon system if canon doesn't remove them ... the plan is too easy ... we need a new plan that won't go horribly wrong half way through.

"Then neuralyze the SGC". Ahhh ... it's not that simple. The Goa'uld, the Tok'ra, the Asgard, possibly the Jaffa, Vala and the social circles she moves in (The Lucian Alliance)
All know about Ninmah.

So ... how do we neuralyze basically the entire galaxy and the Asgard? How does a neuralyzer work? As if we can rig one into the Dakara superweapon then we'd only have to worry about the Asgard and people not in a solar system with a stargate as if we used the Dakara superweapon but modified it to be a Nerualyzer we could neuralise most of the galaxy (hey we could neuralise the Canon jaffa in the Dakara system ordering them else where ... and thus the Dakara super weapon plan gets another nail in its coffin as with it the mission becomes too easy meaning that the plan will go wrong somewhere).

Thanks!

It gives you a list of beginnings and endings with definitions, and when you choose two it shows you how they go together. The site also has a Quenya name generator.

http://www.elffetish.com/SindaFrame1.php

It's not a retelling of the book. It's shameless copying of the book. I've reminded the "author" of that in a few reviews.