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Just presenting a worst case scenario ... I admit that its highly unlikely that the 32 billion (it may be retconned to 83 billion) are going to be Mary Sues but I thought they qualified as bit characters but if they don't then it actually will be relatively simple to pull off this if it becomes a mission.
Though Baal, Lord Yu, Oshu the First Prime of Lord Yu, Camulus, Amaterasu and possibly Anubis knows about her so do we have to neuralise them? Or do we just have to Neuralise Stargate command as I'm a fan of Lord Yu and with his senility is it safe to neuralise him? Oh ... is it possible to neuralise Anubis?

Also while I try and remember to apply Occam's razor I usually forget due to my imagination and paranoia. BTW thank you for telling me about the KISS principle which has now become one of my favourite acronyms (along with TARDIS and WRDD!(1))

P.S it seems my Tv Tropes obsession is having negative affects ... http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySueTopia.

P.P.S I've heard that The PPC can recruit dead canon characters ... has Janet Fraiser(2) been recruited yet? As she is a brilliant doctor who would be a great addition to the medical team.

(1) We're doomed. DOOMED! (I don't remember where I heard it but I love It :) )

(2) WHY Did Speakertocustomers let her die! He's a fanfiction writer he could have not mentioned her or allowed her to live but no ... he puts this line in to the fic "A short time later came the mission on which Dr Janet Fraiser was killed"! Janet deserves more than ONE MEASLEY LINE if you going to kill her! She Deserves at least an entire Chapter if you going to KILL HER! … Sorry for shouting … I may have a small crush on the Fantastically Wonderful Doctor Janet Fraiser … *sighs*.

Note: Sorry about using footnotes but I couldn't find a way to work them into the text without making it awkward.

...but I don't really mind characters with angsty backgrounds - depending on how they're handled. I think some of the main problems come from when the angsty past is being used to say either 'no-one has ever suffered like she has! Because she is just that Speshul!', or 'look at how much horrible stuff she's been through! You should all love her and feel sorry for her!'. But I don't think that bad things in a character's past are automatically a sign of Sueishness.

If you're looking for some more detailed advice, you could try checking out limyaael's fantasy rants on Livejournal. She did a number of rants on angst (http://limyaael.livejournal.com/tag/rants+on+angst), including one on how to handle abused characters.

Red Eyes
Kyouya Nakamura is a highschool student in Cardiff. Sounds simple enough, but it turns out that Kyouya has a dark secret. Who is he? And what happens when a man named Jack Harkness appears at his school? Jack/OC Warning: Rated M for later chapters. YAOI!

Jack Stu, first person, Jack is a teenager in a 21st century Cardiff high school and apparently there is only one emo in all of Cardiff.

If one would expect him/her to not be the only one with that sort of background woe in this sort of setting, it's not Sueish.

I'm currently working on an original fantasy story, and I'm kind of... I wouldn't say freaking out, but I'm definitely worried about Mary Sues and stuff.

To give you the short version, my story takes place during a really rather vicious war between two factions of people, one side of which is conceited to the point of being genocidal. Most of my main protagonists are from the side that is fighting to not be massacred. This catastrophic war has been going on for about a decade.

I know that an angsty past like being orphaned, enslavement, imprisonment, yadda yadda yadda, is one of those little urple flags that go up when it comes to Sueishness. But if most of my protagonists are from a group of people who are seriously in danger of being wiped out, I'd think readers would expect a little suckage in their pasts. What I mean is, does it really count against them, in terms of whether they're Mary Sues?

I don't know who coined the term Mary Sue Topia, but it wasn't us. We strive to take more of an Occam's Razor approach with a side of the KISS principle. (I trust you know how to look those up if you're not familiar with them.)

The original point of the PPC is to do things as subtly and humorously as possible. A mission to start a galactic war does not qualify.

~Neshomeh

It's "One's made of white plastic and is dangerous for children to play with and the other one's a grocery bag".

Keller is okay but compared to who she replaced, She just can't fill those shoes.
With a Science-fiction show you expect the finally to be big and changing not a mediocre episode that is as bad as that Doctor-lite episode in Series 2 of new-who.
Now if you'll excuse me its 21 minutes past midnight (GMT) where I am so I'm going to try and catch a few REM cycles.

Is that it's not actually entirely "complete", though. There's a fair few things that've yet to get on there. Still a lot of stuff, though.

Note: I may exhibit paranoia and plan for the worst case scenario but I do so as to ensure that any potential agents that might be sent on a possible mission to this fic (if it is deemed necessary for a mission to happen) come back as safe as possible. As I like to say "Curiosity killed the cat, Paranoia could have saved it".

" Could the ancient Egyptians have built brick houses? Perhaps, but we do it better and in less time, and we have a whole hell of a lot more houses than the Egyptians ever did." Yes but we need bricks to do it and there aren't enough resources in 27 solar systems to build such a fleet. The only way I can see to build such a fleet would require the resources of hundreds maybe thousands of worlds. Using the Serrakin (http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Serakin) as an example of an advanced industrialized democratic Stargate race with the capability to take on the Goa'uld they never showed the capability to produce 444 ships (12,000 ships divided by 27 planets = 444.44) that were on the same level as a Ha'tak class mother ship.

"I still don't see how the SGC finding a diplomatic solution counts as giving up hope." Ah I seem to have phrased my previous post in an incoherent manner .... Well its that all their efforts seem to be in diplomacy not in trying to find a way to stop this super fleet; which is out of character for Stargate command.

"If one Goa'uld Queen was able to have a change of heart, why not another? As the Tok'ra point out, "Not all Goa'uld are the same.""
Egeria unfortunately appears to be the only exception to the rule that normal Goa'uld (Tok'ra don't count due to Egerias ability to manipulate their genetic memories) can realise that their megalomania is wrong. Even the mostly sane Goa'uld Baal is an untrustworthy snake (pun/joke not intended).

"As to how Ninmah's society was allowed to develop, if she was a strong enough System Lord to hold her own in battle, why not? I'll grant you that her being that powerful is a big stretch, but if you allow for that, the rest is feasible." the Goa'uld are too paranoid to allow one of their own 800 years to build a civilisation capable of destabilizing their image as gods. They would have realistically found out due to minor goa'uld(s) in Ninmah's ranks about her little experiment in its infancy.

"At the very most, you've got some bad logic and one Mary-Sue" what we have here is an example of a Mary Sue Topia (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySueTopia) in my opinion. Which means at best we have to kill 32 billion brain dead bit characters and one Mary sue at worst we have to deal with 83 billion fanatically loyal Mary sues lead by a Mary sue Queen.

The Dakara superweapon is a quick way to ensure we don't have to go kill them all personally. Getting control of it may actually not be such a pain as we just have to portal in to the control room, trick the canon Jaffa into going some else for a bit (hologram of Baal or something), reprogram the local Stargate to dial all 27 planets in this commonwealth and then trigger the dakara superweapon then destroy the non canon system if canon doesn't remove them ... the plan is too easy ... we need a new plan that won't go horribly wrong half way through.

"Then neuralyze the SGC". Ahhh ... it's not that simple. The Goa'uld, the Tok'ra, the Asgard, possibly the Jaffa, Vala and the social circles she moves in (The Lucian Alliance)
All know about Ninmah.

So ... how do we neuralyze basically the entire galaxy and the Asgard? How does a neuralyzer work? As if we can rig one into the Dakara superweapon then we'd only have to worry about the Asgard and people not in a solar system with a stargate as if we used the Dakara superweapon but modified it to be a Nerualyzer we could neuralise most of the galaxy (hey we could neuralise the Canon jaffa in the Dakara system ordering them else where ... and thus the Dakara super weapon plan gets another nail in its coffin as with it the mission becomes too easy meaning that the plan will go wrong somewhere).

Thanks!

It gives you a list of beginnings and endings with definitions, and when you choose two it shows you how they go together. The site also has a Quenya name generator.

http://www.elffetish.com/SindaFrame1.php

It's not a retelling of the book. It's shameless copying of the book. I've reminded the "author" of that in a few reviews.

So should we settle it on mini-Hitokiri?

You don't have to log in. You can just enter your name, e-mail, and subject heading anew each time, which naturally gives you the option of not entering your e-mail address if you don't feel like sharing it with the world. {= )

~Neshomeh, who's never once logged in to this Board.

There's the Complete List of PPC Fiction and then there's the Killed Badfic page on our Wiki. Between the two, you should have just about everything that ever was or will be. {= )

~Neshomeh

Give me some idea of what kind of name you want and I can go looking for root words that might work for you.

~Neshomeh

You're comparing the productive capabilities of the Commonwealth with a society based on feudalism and slave labor. I'm perfectly happy to believe that an advanced republic could churn out and maintain a lot more ships with a lot less effort than the Goa'uld have to put into their 1000. Could the ancient Egyptians have built brick houses? Perhaps, but we do it better and in less time, and we have a whole hell of a lot more houses than the Egyptians ever did.

I still don't see how the SGC finding a diplomatic solution counts as giving up hope.

If one Goa'uld Queen was able to have a change of heart, why not another? As the Tok'ra point out, "Not all Goa'uld are the same."

As to how Ninmah's society was allowed to develop, if she was a strong enough System Lord to hold her own in battle, why not? I'll grant you that her being that powerful is a big stretch, but if you allow for that, the rest is feasible.

At the very most, you've got some bad logic and one Mary-Sue. Faceless masses =/= Mary-Sues. It simply doesn't work that way. If there were to be a mission, all the agents would have to do is take out Ninmah, maybe taking advantage of their Host Day to catch her with her guard down, then neuralyze the SGC. After that, everything Ninmah-Sue created would either disappear or assimilate with the canon. Even if destroying a planet or two were in order, the job would be made much easier by simple assassination beforehand. Remove the Sue's grip on the Word World, and suddenly it starts to come apart at the seams, leaving the team open to blow stuff up at leisure without having to worry about the defenses, which will be in complete disarray. QED.

~Neshomeh

Um... I love reading these stories but I cannot re-find (is that a word) the complete list of stories. I was wondering if any of you wonderful people could provide a link? Please?

Although, thanks to the Narrative Laws of Comedy, I'll probably find it as soon has I post this. *Sigh*

Alas! I'm stuck as I don't have a copy of any of the books! And I can't use Haldir or Rumil because they have special heroic rules!