cga, I can assure you, not posting for a few weeks or months isn't going to get you refused permission - I would hope that you'd post fairly frequently for a week or two once you got back, and then ask, just so everyone remembers who you are.
Secondly, there's a huge difference between denying someone permission and branding them as Trolls - we've dealt with trolls here before a couple of times, it is very, very, ugly. I, and I suspect anyone who was around here for the last one (anybody else remember that?), will be very careful about branding people trolls.
Finally, given the... extreme nature of /b/ (protect your innocence, don't look for it), I think July's response was fairly well justified. The thing I really want to see, aside from decent writing ability, is maturity - linking hardcore porn/fetish pictures definitely doesn't display that.
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*dons the Permission Giver Hat* by
on 2008-07-31 00:50:00 UTC
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dude, my sister is on a Dollhouse forum... by
on 2008-07-31 00:17:00 UTC
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...and there is someone on there who has 'decided' her favourite character before the damn thing's even been made.
Fangirls don't NEED reasons.
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The Department of Technical Errors returns! (plug) by
on 2008-07-31 00:12:00 UTC
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Hello, everyone! I'm proud to say that I have finally come back into the world of actual PPC mission-writing. My agents have returned from their hiatus, red pens at the ready. They're a little older, a little wiser, but hopefully just as much fun. We have a cute little Sue to maim tonight, so gather, one and all, 'round the flamethrower, and listen to her tale of woe. Thanks to all who volunteered cameos for the Welcome Back Party.
Thar she blows, matey!
Man, have I missed these. Let me know what you think!
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pep talk of sorts, and explanation by
on 2008-07-30 23:10:00 UTC
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Lynxihez, all our Agents have a flavour of Sue or Stu about them somewhere. It's hard to kick butt in fandom without some special skills :P Hell, half of them ARE ex-Sues and Stus who retain their Suvian abilities.
If you have worried that much about your writing, and analysed it that much, I'm willing to bet it isn't half as bad as you think it is. My advice would be to ask someone else for an impartial readthrough. You don't have to ask for Permission if you don't want to, but I'm sure anyone here would be cool with just going over your work with you if you have worries about it. I'll do it myself if you want. I'd be pleased to.
Pep talk over, now here's the explanation.
The main objection with Fichunter is not his Agent Janus, who, admittedly, is quite Stuish, but who COULD, with work, become a workable Agent. No, the objection, at least as far as I see it and as far as I can glean from other posters, is that he just seems not to understand the point of the PPC and to not be getting into the spirit of the thing, which is the WRITING. Not the blowing shit up, or the steeling ourselves to read bad squick (if that's your idea of fun). It all boils down to quality of writing. We really are like vigilante transdimensional copy editors.
And it seems to me that you have a deep concern for the quality of writing, which tells me that you belong here with us, whether or not you choose to actively spork badfic.
- Trojie
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Look, mate, by
on 2008-07-30 22:26:00 UTC
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I have an Agent with a cut-throat razor - you really want me to go and borrow it? (Hmm..s'pose I could cut you down to size...)
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Yes, I couldn't help but think ... by
on 2008-07-30 19:58:00 UTC
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... that he didn't really seem all that interested in what we actually do.
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lovely by
on 2008-07-30 19:38:00 UTC
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A bucket and a bit of hosepipe - the perfect addition to any boudoir. *shudder*
This would not be nearly so disturbing if it weren't for the fact that, some months ago, a friend of mine was raving about colonic irrigation, and the next time I went to house, he had a brand new bucket and a length of hosepipe out...
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It's still horrid... by
on 2008-07-30 16:34:00 UTC
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But is it a parody of MI by making it eight times as sickening or something? Because, otherwise, it's still a troll.
"Though I wouldn't recommend reading it if you have no tolerance to bda Engush and grammar that is not gooder than most."
Don't even try mimicking them. It's not worth destroying your brain over. Also, it's far worse than that.
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Re: *Snickers* by
on 2008-07-30 16:32:00 UTC
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I didn't get that line. What the hell does Mudkip have to do with anything? Although, I prefer Torchic. I'm more of a fire person myself.
Not having read much of MI, is it better or worse than it?
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Aww, come on! by
on 2008-07-30 15:15:00 UTC
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It can't be as bad as that. Sure, we've all got a Mary-Sue or two in our closet *Ignores the fifty or so in his* but that doesn't mean anything.
But, while we're on the topic, maybe a new thread could have been used...
Anyway... The most interesting thing about Mary-Sues is that they can happen anywhere, anytime. Harry Potter, for example, is a prime example of a well-written Gary-Stu. Yes, he is a Gary-Stu, but he's written in a way that make sit forgivable.
Eragon, on the other hand... We just won't go there.
But in the end mate, it's all with you. If you have issues with writing, then just ask. If you post an Agent who seems Stuish / Suish, that's fine. We'll let you know, and if you're open to it, give you help to knock 'em down a little. When creating characters, I tend to follow the balance rule, my character might be good at sports, but only sports that require speed, or flexibility. It's all about limitations.
And that would be your self-doubt talking. I find the best way to deal with that is to shrug and ignore it. You're just being hard on yourself. at the very most, you're saying you could be better, and writing gives you the opportunity to be better, at worst, you stop doing the thing you love doing. Not a good option.
But again, this is a site for the PPC. Protectors of the Plot Continuum. We spork the occasional badfic, sure, but mostly, we're here to help guide new writers into what they could be, which could be the next J.k Rowling, or the next Tolkein (Blasphemy!). We don't go out of our way to hurt people, we just drive the point home when we get ignored. We're here to help you, and there's a bunch of people on here who would be willing to Beta anything you do, all you need is ask.
Well, to sum up, I'd encourage you to ask permission. We wanna help, and we do enjoy new blood. We just might seem a little harsh right now because someone doesn't fulfil all the guidelines we expect, which were mostly social. If you're willing to work on writing, even if you're a far better writer than J.k Rowling, then we're always gonna be willing to help you.
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Ooh, I am so up for a Pie-Eating Contest! (nm) by
on 2008-07-30 14:23:00 UTC
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A self assmbled enema kit? by
on 2008-07-30 13:31:00 UTC
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Not sure if that's overly appropriate... At all.
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Damn it! I forgot that I already proposed a toast. (nm) by
on 2008-07-30 13:29:00 UTC
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I propose a toast! by
on 2008-07-30 13:26:00 UTC
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And a Pie-Eating contest!
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It's ok! by
on 2008-07-30 13:25:00 UTC
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We need not worry. This is indeed a Troll, and all the answers are given in 'Chapter 20' of it... And it seems that our little Troller can use English, quite well, scarily enough.
Though I wouldn't recommend reading it if you have no tolerance to bda Engush and grammar that is not gooder than most.
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*Snickers* by
on 2008-07-30 12:57:00 UTC
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I know I shouln't be laughing, or snickering, but I couldn't help it. It's such a blatant, try-hard rip-off of 'My Immortal' that it amuses me to no end. Particularly the part where Harry, I mean, 'Billy' asks if she likes Mudkips...
Though, now that I think of it, it's set presumably in 1997, and Mudkip didn't even exist for another six years... Hmm..
Yes, many, many, many things filched from 'My Immortal'. Many parts of it worry me more than 'My Immortal' too...
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I propose a toast! (nm) by
on 2008-07-30 12:53:00 UTC
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Hee, funneh. by
on 2008-07-30 12:21:00 UTC
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The baby cakes really freak me ou, though.
Gotta say, I do love the James Bond one. If I ever get married, I want that cake. :D
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Alright, this has been building up for a while... by
on 2008-07-30 12:19:00 UTC
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But, for anyone who cares, this is my reason why I haven't asked for Permission yet, nor will I any time in the near future.
Basically, I'm terrified someone will one day call me out and say 'Hey! This writing's crap!' (only far more eloquently here). It's all to do with a couple of writing experiences I had when I was younger, plus terrible insecurity that is also a relic from my primary school days.
One other thing before I start, please don't think I'm a wangsty little brat. Rereading this post, while it's the best I can get it, I'm still worried I'll paint a picture of myself as a typical emo teenager - someone who thinks their life sucks, even when it doesn't. Thank you.
In year 7 (age 11-12), I aspired to be a writer. I had a 'Sue from when I was far younger, and I idolised her. She was everything I wanted to be - i.e. Speshul. Primary school, and year seven, were both a rough time for me, so I was feeling pretty hard-done-by. So I wrote this 'Sue in private, just in notebooks or whatever, until I found out about Mary-Sues.
When I first heard of them, I laughed off the fact that my character might be one. 'She's not that special,' I'd say to convince myself. 'She hasn't got "milk-like skin", or wings, or chocolate eyes. I'm fine.' But this was all denial. Eventually, I saw sense, and dumped the 'Sue, promising myself I wouldn't write anything like that again. Unfortunately, however, I did.
When I started writing my second 'Sue, I checked litmus tests over and over again. I wanted to make her as believable as possible, and that meant no 'speshulness'. It didn't work. The 'Sue turned out a travesty - she was Voldemort's daughter, with bright red eyes, Luna Lovegood was her BFF, etc. And again, I stopped denying ehat I'd written, and woke up.
I think at that point, I stopped trusting my writing abilities. Whenever I think, 'Oh, such-and-such character might be interesting to try and write', I imagine bad reviews, being despised as a Suethor, any story of mine being featured on Pottersues. And when it's originalfic, I keep thinking, 'What if I run out of inspiration part-way through? What if no-one wants to publish it? What if I become another Christopher Paolini?'
So, in short, I'm not going to ask for Permission because I think I suck, and because I'm stupidly insecure. The end.
I'm sorry for the TL;DR post, and if anyone takes this as aimed at them, because it's not. You people are some of the nicest I've met on the internet, and I have nothing but respect for you - apologies if I come across as bitter and angry. Thank you for your time.
-Lynxihez, who is now wondering whether this is even the right place to post her bucketload of BAWWWWW.
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My favourite Tolkien disclaimer runs thus: by
on 2008-07-30 11:34:00 UTC
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"Oh Tolkien, it is all thine
From Lorien's woods
to Moria's mine
You own the Elves,
the Dwarves, the sea
And, I'm afraid, own even me.
Oh copyright I honor thee,
So there's no point in sueing me
Amusement's all I'm aiming for
Respectfully, yours, Erestor"
from Elf On A Shelf.
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EDIT: It is My Immortal! by
on 2008-07-30 10:51:00 UTC
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I've been copying it into a word file for later torture and it's so much like what I've read of My Immortal that I've come to the conclusion that someone has plagiarised the plot. Couldn't they have done that to a good fic? Save us this torment? For proof, go to chapter four (the 'sex scene' at the end) and the beginning of chapter five. Looks like Immortal to me. *commits hari-kari*
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The New My Immortal! by
on 2008-07-30 10:43:00 UTC
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Flee! Flee for you lives!
I haven't got further than the first line, but this is certainly the new My Immortal, the dread bane of the Potter fandom. I believe, judging by the penname, that this is a friend of the author.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3351338/1/CallMeWhenYoureSober
I was only looking for smut fics to spork. I don't deserve THIS. *sobs and curls into a ball* We're all doomed...
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Have a self-assembly enema kit by
on 2008-07-30 10:42:00 UTC
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Greetings and salutations Cobweb- have a self-assembly enema kit (it's barrels of fun for adults and children alike)
What are your favorite fandoms?
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Haha *rubs smote kneecap* (nm) by
on 2008-07-30 10:35:00 UTC
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