Subject: If reading everything is a requirement...
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Posted on: 2022-05-16 06:33:30 UTC
... you'll have to sack every current PG. ^_~
hS
Subject: If reading everything is a requirement...
Author:
Posted on: 2022-05-16 06:33:30 UTC
... you'll have to sack every current PG. ^_~
hS
I’m likely to write my first Permission request in a few days (Sunday, I’ll have been on the Board a month) and I can’t find a working link to the Permission Prompt. Can someone give me the link?
Linstar, who has a couple of volunteer betas and is very grateful for them.
((Edit: this is now in the Serious Business tab, as it seems to be veering into that territory.))
they just get locked for no reason. Some missions unfortunately get this too.
I completely forgot about this, but here it is on Archive.today. I blame the heat today for making me stupid.
Now, we could use this link on the wiki, or perhaps copy it to a new live doc... but OTOH, I stand by what I said about it being time for something new, whether that takes the form of a rewrite to clear up any bits that might be unclear, new random prompt options, or something else entirely. Opinions?
~Neshomeh
Link for convenience. I ended up making a few tweaks as I went along, such as adding Jay and Acacia's original guidance for spin-off writers with a reference link. I'd hate for that bit of history to be lost. Let me know if everything looks okay.
The Permission FAQ is now here, and will also need to be edited. But not by me right now. Maybe later! Suggestions are absolutely welcome in the meantime.
~Neshomeh needs a nap.
looks pretty good! Thanks, Nesh!
One—when are we going to elect the PGs? We’ve updated the article...is there any reason there’s no PG election thread?
Two—Can I use a short mission for a Permission request? The new article’s not super clear on that.
—Ls, who hopes to finish his request in time for the new PGs.
—Ls, slightly less clueless than before.
As the guy without Permission, of course.
Immediately hold a vote looking to elect at least 3 new PGs. Ones who have enough energy to actually do anything anymore.
Should I make a new and seperate post on this bit of voting or should we wait for people to reply to this thread about PG-ness?
-kA, not angry
Why do you end so many posts with "not angry"?
(...so I want to be clear that I am not upset or angry, just posing a question or comment.)
(-kA)
I figured we'd wait until the Wiki article was up to scratch, and then someone could dig up the last election and see how we did it. I suspect it started with a nominations thread, but honestly not sure.
hS
I am happy with this. I just didn't want this to get lost in all of the actual edits and changes being proposed.
I will say that this is probably the one time I wished I'd skipped work and D&D today because hoo boy did this thread explode when I wasn't looking.
Nova
Small suggestion, instead of "PG are looked upon for their writing" maybe something like "are recognized for their writing and PPC knowledge"?
And yet ended up a PG, because they focused on infrastructure departments?
That while I've only become a PG recently, I haven't actually published a mission yet either (still working on it though).
Nova
Is it a good idea, then, to explain that if you don't want to spork badfic but want to extend PPC stuff, you should write a paragraph or two of potentional plans/ideas for the PPC, or is that too daunting? What do you think we should include? Should VM be used as an example of "you don't have to spork?"
-kA, hopefully not being too pushy (and they are not angry, just interested in this conversation)
I totally forgot that was part of the wiki, to be completely honest.
And I still say that we should include "assuming you plan to spork anything at all" to not discourage newbies, but that's more of a personal thing than anything. There could be some people that just want Permission to Setting-build. Perhaps, for those cases, a paragraph or two on what they plan for the setting? Maybe?
-kA
I'm thinking that this should be added to the planned FAQ rather than the main article, although I think that's what you were implying.
-kA
... I had "Wiki article to be rewritten by someone who is neither Nesh or hS". Because I know very well what we're both like, and it is long, detailed, and formal. ^_~
Because otherwise someone might not get the point! It's really, really hard to break myself of this habit, which is why I threw out a deliberately slender draft and will now go hands-off to let people make it better. :)
hS
Respected sounds better, honestly, than "known for" lol.
And what would you put under "Guidance: Recommended Reading?" The slash-sporking guide?
Just curious.
-kA
Shouldn't we have the Original Series under Recommended?
I always thought 5+ years in the PPC makes one an oldbie, and the Oldest Oldbies have been here since 2002/2003 AKA the (almost) very beginning... which are hS and Nesh, to my knowledge.
I do not consider myself an oldbie, not by any stretch, but thank you for the compliment :).
-kA, who swore there was a hard line with oldbies, but maybe not.
Being an oldbie is as much an attitude as a number of years. If everything is all fresh and exciting and just a bit of a shock, you might be a newbie. If you've Been There, Done That, and Seen It All, you might be an oldbie. {= )
~Neshomeh
Do you remember how much you did read before you stopped? This could be a useful benchmark for the rewrite.
~Neshomeh
I started glancing through (instead of reading, really) around "Things to Avoid" and stopped at "Q. Character bio? How? What? Give me some help!" in my first read-through.
I think moving the FAQ to a subpage would help.
-kA, who is sorry for not having better/clearer information
So am I on there?
I'd probably just vote yes to any oldbie who wanted to be one.
But I do think having a few more PGs wouldn't hurt--being a PG means you can grant Permission, not that you must always look at every request. Right?
It's a to a very old LOTR fanfic where it rains punctuation constantly, the spelling is bad, the spacing is weird, and I’m pretty sure Laicalasse, the main character, is a Sue. Laicalasse's Tale
Honestly, I'm not surprised it didn't fly. It's fine. {= )
~Neshomeh
Storme and hS I feel covered a lot of my issues here, but this definitely creates a scenario of newbies just kind of hovering around nervously and even more overfocusing on impressing the PGs, since they don't have a clear roadmap for how to go about getting Permission anymore. I think this would actually make the problem worse. And it would definitely have some clique issues.
... it's me, Nesh, Zing, Ix, and now Storme. I also assume Delta is around on the Discord, but don't remember seeing her recently. Kaitlyn is officially 'here' as long as I am, but not active.
(I may well have lost track, so anyone else still around feel free to sing out!)
hS
It's not like we're going out of our way to make it hard here! Permission is supposed to be agents and a short (400-800 I think) piece of writing, so your Permit isn't easier on that score. And we can't exactly say "your spelling sucks, and you think PPC stands for 'Psychopaths with Problematic opinions(C)', but eh, go for a mission". Like... I want easier! But how is this easier? I don't understand. :-/
hS
In spirit, the requirements for Permission are simple: show us you're not a big jerk, get what the PPC is, and can write it well. It shouldn't be a big deal.
Maybe the process has just been over-written...? Could it be as simple as slimming down the word count on the Permission article......? Or something.........?
~Neshomeh will stop abusing the ellipsis now.
Linstar will stop now as well.
Not necessarily easier than the current system. Apologies for not being clearer.
-kA
... I wasn't nominating (or non-nominating) anybody, just literally counting heads. :)
hS
In fact, I've sounded both of them out about it in the past, but unless something has changed, neither one is interested. Same with doctorlit, IIRC, for someone not in this thread.
So, uh, has anything changed, guys?
~Neshomeh
That does sound frustrating. Hope your sitch improves.
...Not being able to keep up with what's happening in terms of fic over here. I mean, I still haven't finished reading hS's new stuff (which is excellent so far, by the way). I've just been falling behind on reading stuff.
I don't have the strongest trust of my own judgement, but I do trust Nesh, so I suppose I'll have to trust her judgement of my judgement.
... you'll have to sack every current PG. ^_~
hS
is that I'm a flight risk ;P
But I suppose as long as you all keep DMing me I'll still be around.
Not sure that's relevant and/or helpful, but thought I'd throw that out there.
And here's a full list.
It's kind of random when you'll get a response on anything you're doing. Sometimes there are a ton of people who are super interested in what you're doing and sometimes there isn't. It's not even necessarily anything you do, it's often a product of who's around at that exact moment. I've definitely had this happen to me as well.
(And I've been burnt out to hell so I haven't been interacting with people anywhere so much. Sorry everyone!)
I apologize. I really do try not to ignore stuff but sometimes I genuinely can’t help, am too busy/too tired to formulate an answer, or saw it and forgot to write an answer. So my apologies, I’m really not ignoring just scatterbrained.
The ignoring bit hasn't happened recently (as in, the past 2-3 weeks?), but it has happened before.
-kA
Also, there is a lot of talk about fandoms I'm not in and some of which I barely know exist, so I'm not sure what to say to them.
(And Bookworm? I noticed a couple typos. ( “ad” and “i”.))
So that's what gets me a bit eeeeehh about "PGs will approach newbies and offer an invitation to apply for Permission". Reminds me a bit too much of the whole ~elite group invites you to do this initiation~ trope so prevalent in boarding school/university experiences. It gives me a hierarchical vibe that... well, I mean, PGs are a little bit like that, since y'all are the ones with the keys to the sandbox, but it would feel more like it if Permission was done by invite, you know?
Thinking about it, with the current Permission set up I can definitely see the good points to having one. I guess another point for it is if one PG sees a Permission Request but doesn't have the time/ability to deal with it at that point in time they can always drop a message in the chat to see if there's another PG who can pick it up.
Nova
Could you possibly demote a toxic PGs? I mean, is that a thing? Just kinda wondering, not really being serious.
—Ls, who hopes hasn’t bit off more than he can chew by accidentally unleashing a huge debate on Permission. Of course, igniting huge debates is kinda what he does. Though really, it wasn’t just him. Also, Ls is neither a Discord user nor a Permission Giver, and thus is not the most sure of why he’s all that concerned.
I could just... not get on with them. That's happened. Heck, at one point I didn't get on with Nesh (a very long time ago).
To answer your question, a permanent ban from the community would obviously revoke PG status. I suspect a temporary ban would too, but... it's never come up, and I hope it never does.
hS
And you and Nesh didn’t always get along? Huh. I really don’t know everyone’s histories here.
But yeah, I assume you would lose PG or Permissioned status on being banned. Right?
(Side note: SRPA’s, (whom I have no affiliation with) ban is over in like two weeks. )
Not sure how I feel about that. shrugs Maybe we could try both? That is, if a PG so decides, you needn’t wait a full month to ask? Rather than overturn the whole process, as there should at least be a way to request Permission still. Regardless, it’s still a good idea, Neshomeh.
(Side note: I thought hS wasn’t on the Discord? Then again, what do I know?)
I like the idea of having a more flexible way to apply for Permission that would actually be used as an interlude. :)
Yay for being more active! Have a slice of life pie!
And ooh. Goodness, whatever does a slice of life pie taste like? Does it vary based on whose life it's a slice of? :P
~Z, batting away an unexpected plotbunny >.>
I just like giving away as many pun-based imaginary items as I can think of.
On second thought, it does taste like a person’s life. Hmm...wonder what flavor mine would be....Dark chocolate, perhaps?
For clarification, for updating prompts, and also... it would be nice if it could just directly be hosted on the Wiki to avoid future repeats of this issue. Instead of a table, maybe we could run a random prompt generator script instead? It takes a bit of the guesswork out of rolling dice and people can just click a button to get a different prompt.
Totally seconding this. Might do it myself.
There's a link in the Permission section on the wiki, but it's one of those things that got eaten by Google.