Subject: Yes. This was elaboration not disagreement. (nm)
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Posted on: 2015-09-15 20:37:00 UTC
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Dear British right-wing: you were wrong. by
on 2015-09-14 10:52:00 UTC
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Since we're talking Left/Right politics. by
on 2015-09-15 01:19:00 UTC
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Can anybody adequately explain why on earth Anarchism is Absolute Left? Isn't the Right supposed to be "A man is entitled to the sweat of his brow, not to anyone but himself and his own," and liberalism being, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," and all that jazz? So, shouldn't "No government, no law, man can care for themselves," be Absolute Right? I mean, I don't know about you, but it just seems backwards to me. Totalitarian Communist regime? Close, but not quite the farthest Left. Break it all down and have noting left behind? Now you're there! What the heck?
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The Political Compass site can help with that. by
on 2015-09-15 01:47:00 UTC
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Irrelevent comments by
on 2015-09-14 21:58:00 UTC
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Yes, political discussions are perfectly fine! by
on 2015-09-14 22:16:00 UTC
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I think this is a good analogy. by
on 2015-09-14 22:52:00 UTC
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Which means I assume for the most part Conservative/Right leaning Brits will probably love her, but the left leaning ones, which to me it seems the majority of our British Boarders, and I would say all boarders, will have a differing opinion.
I will be interested to see the chart of leanings that I think hS is putting together. I suspect the vast majority of boarders will fall on the Left side. -
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Welcome to foreign policy. by
on 2015-09-15 14:38:00 UTC
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He what? by
on 2015-09-14 22:01:00 UTC
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That's not cool.
Frankly, I feel exactly the same way with my country and what we did recently with Iran. -
Yep. by
on 2015-09-15 16:33:00 UTC
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It's even on video. This guy is insane.
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In the interest of information: by
on 2015-09-16 10:57:00 UTC
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W-ell... by
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I'm curious: by
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Well... by
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Wow. Just, wow... (nm) by
on 2015-09-15 20:53:00 UTC
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I'll agree on that. by
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With respect... by
on 2015-09-15 00:56:00 UTC
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Well, yes. by
on 2015-09-15 07:42:00 UTC
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Ah! by
on 2015-09-15 13:23:00 UTC
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Really, "minority rights" are supposed to be a sweet deal? by
on 2015-09-15 21:34:00 UTC
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Well... by
on 2015-09-15 22:20:00 UTC
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I pretty much would just like to see all sides of this conflict put down their gorram guns and talk.
It's probably not going to happen because there's too much religion involved. Not to mention that you need trust for that, and nobody's been trying to build trust here for ages (Obama doesn't count — he's like an elephant in a china store with his lack of attention and understanding of the dramatis personae involved). -
Hey, that's something we can agree on! by
on 2015-09-15 22:35:00 UTC
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Well... by
on 2015-09-15 23:01:00 UTC
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It's the "let's kill people" people who run the show here; most of the decent people just want to get on with their lives. There's a line of Agnon that says (pardon me; my translation is not doing his wonderful writing justice), "The wise wash their hands of leading the world because they know there are wiser and want the world to be lead by the perfectly wise. While this is happening the stupid and the evil come and lead the world according to their stupidity and their evil."
That's what we have here; the decent people want decent-er people to lead and in the meantime the nutjobs jump in. -
Yyyyyep. That's pretty much the way of it. (nm) by
on 2015-09-15 23:24:00 UTC
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That's one of the things I love about my college. by
on 2015-09-15 22:44:00 UTC
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*close enough to hear by
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As is usual in the Middle East... by
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First this, then Abbott (FINALLY) gone in AustraliaÂ… by
on 2015-09-14 15:44:00 UTC
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Maybe there's hope yet! In the US, I'm psyched for you guys, and really, really hopeful for the implications for a Sanders win here.
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Vote for Bernie Sanders! He actually makes sense! by
on 2015-09-15 19:14:00 UTC
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And he's not a comments section in a suit and toupee or anti-vaccine or any other flavor of moron!
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Oh, please, no! by
on 2015-09-15 01:02:00 UTC
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Hmmm. Disagree! by
on 2015-09-15 16:56:00 UTC
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Trust me, as much as I would love Bernie to win... by
on 2015-09-14 17:06:00 UTC
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Let's be honest with ourselves. We are very likely to enter a Republican era. Hillary has a slight chance, but if you thought that the people who scream "Commie Scumbag Obummer" will allow a legit Left candidate, you are very mistaken. And even many of the people who vote Democrat are likely a little more on the right scale then Bernie is. The literals have a target on their backs, and the Republican party knows it.
The best chance Sanders has is if Hillary falls flat on her face harder, and if Trump wins the nomination. Trump is a nutball, and we all know it. However, if just enough people are split over the, what are we at now, sixteen Republican candidates, Trump might have a chance at the nomination. If he gets it, the Dems walk right into the white house. If not... Well, we likely have a Republican government. Yippee. -
I personally hope we do get a Republican by
on 2015-09-15 01:16:00 UTC
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I did not get the sense... by
on 2015-09-15 01:29:00 UTC
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That he was attacking Conservative Republicans per-se, more so just restating what has been a part of political rhetoric for a long time. Any time there is a clearly left leaning candidate there are calls of either "Socialist" or "Communist" just like any time there is a far right candidate you get calls of "Racist" and "Religious Nut jobs".
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Precicely. by
on 2015-09-15 02:07:00 UTC
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I'm not talking your run-of-the-mill Republican. I'm talking those who fall to rhetoric and choose not to study and think for themselves, but take only what Fox and Friends say as absolute truth. Unfortunately, that rhetoric has dominated the political landscape for a long time now, on both sides, and sadly shapes how most people view opposition. I will even admit to falling into it a little myself, though I try my hardest to keep it to a minimum.
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Well, when you put it that way... by
on 2015-09-15 01:43:00 UTC
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I guess I can see where that's coming from. But I don't see why being a "Religious nut job" is a bad thing.
And people get called "racist for the stupidest things nowadays. Apparently, the Pledge of Allegiance is racist, because it makes Muslims "feel threatened" somehow. I noticed that the people saying so were not Muslims.
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That's just dumb. by
on 2015-09-15 02:23:00 UTC
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Honestly, the pledge is inherently creepy altogether. by
on 2015-09-15 18:41:00 UTC
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Most kids are not of legal consenting age when they learn to say it, and I view it as a form of borderline brainwashing - it's the exact kind of thing we heard horror stories about in the Soviet Union as children: little kids being taught and/or forced to pledge their allegiance to a nation state without any clear understanding of why.
It's nationalism, basically, Cold War era nationalism, and I would really like to see us grow out of it already. -
"Pah, what nonsense!" by
on 2015-09-15 18:53:00 UTC
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"In what universe could a lot of children standing rigidly to attention before a flag and chanting in a dull monotone possibly be creepy?"
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Though to be fair... by
on 2015-09-15 18:50:00 UTC
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The pledge does predate the Cold War by about 100 years. It was actually part of the Reconstruction Era. Lincoln wanted the Rebels to say the pledge and they he would welcome them back. But it is still a form of nationalism. But nationalism is not inherently a bad thing either. But like all things it is open to abuse.
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Ah, right you are! It's "Under God" that's Cold War era. (nm) by
on 2015-09-15 18:59:00 UTC
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Yes by
on 2015-09-15 19:17:00 UTC
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And if I recall the reason was to largely differentiate ourselves from "those godless reds" or some such or other.
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Literally that. by
on 2015-09-15 19:25:00 UTC
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This exactly. by
on 2015-09-15 18:47:00 UTC
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Apparently, my high school didn't recognize the fact that it's not, in fact, legal to force students to peacefully protest the Pledge by not standing during the announcements. My homeroom teacher got in huge trouble when the principal peeked into our room one morning during the Pledge to see me and a small handful of other students not participating. Those of us who refused to stand were also given detention.
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That's rather strange by
on 2015-09-15 04:16:00 UTC
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Well, atheists have to say it, too. Don't they get freedom? (nm) by
on 2015-09-15 18:43:00 UTC
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Possible false equivalency? by
on 2015-09-15 05:08:00 UTC
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Jews keeping kosher, Muslims not drinking alcohols, and fundamentalist Christians not serving in the military are all examples that aren't founded in bigotry or causing harm to other people. Denying people the right to get married, and thus the rights that come with being legally married, is an example absolutely founded in bigotry and can cause harm, in my opinion. In the cake example, well. Certainly they are entitled to their opinion, but all people in the United States should be free from discrimination in their everyday life, including in buying cakes.
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Oh, no it isn't by
on 2015-09-15 13:11:00 UTC
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Hm. by
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RE: by
on 2015-09-15 20:43:00 UTC
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Except its not really a false analogy by
on 2015-09-15 20:52:00 UTC
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Religious arguments were being used during the Civil Rights Movement to try to avoid having to integrate and to continue discriminating. Those arguments failed then, and will do so again, we saw that recently with Kim Davis being sentenced to prison for Contempt of Court.
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Except it really is a false analogy by
on 2015-09-15 21:15:00 UTC
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No by
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It had everything to do with her beliefs by
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She was a conscientious objector for religious reasons, and she made that clear. Her Constitutional rights say that her religious liberties are protected by law, which clearly isn't the case after all.
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Except by
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Not every religious belief is protected. Lemon v. Kurtzman and US v. Reynolds, as well as Employment Division v. Smith, and Epperson v. Arkansas (as well as a whole host of others) show that.
Religious Freedom works both ways, freedom for religion and freedom from religion. If you really want me to start the legal debate I will. -
Traditional marriages? by
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Kind of a weak analogy by
on 2015-09-15 20:24:00 UTC
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The Bible says that traditional marriage is between one man and one woman. The Bible says almost nothing about race being a factor.
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Does it. by
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I'm starting to wonder... by
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I'm starting to wonder... by
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Dude. You can't just No True Scotsman your way through this. by
on 2015-09-15 22:05:00 UTC
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Re: Kind of a weak analogy by
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Rebuttal by
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Sounds like that guy at Chili's was on drugs.
Yeah, and the people during the Civil Rights Movement also believed in free love and moral relativism. The arguments those people used, and the dinosaurs who still use the Bible today, don't present very good arguments to support their outdated and clearly bigoted views. I'm at a Christian College, and there are dozens of interracial couples here. Those people who say it's an abomination need to take a chill pill. -
How is that any different from... by
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From same-sex couples? Why is one acceptable and the other not?
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The Bible says nothing about it being traditional. by
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The Bible says a lot about it, actually by
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Your attitude is getting you nowhere. by
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Okay then, but... by
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They're trying to force you to get gay married? (nm) by
on 2015-09-15 13:16:00 UTC
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No, they're trying to force us to marry people by
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Hold on a second. by
on 2015-09-15 18:55:00 UTC
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Your branch of Christianity is not the only or the right way to practice it. There are other Christians, myself included, that do not believe homosexuality is a sin.
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Okay... by
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Look... by
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On the gay marriage front, I've got nothing new to add. by
on 2015-09-16 11:32:00 UTC
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However, autistic people's brains work perfectly well, thank you. We are not broken neurotypicals. It's nice you think we're human, but that's pretty much the bare minimum to be a decent person, and I'd like you to stop passing judgement on the validity of my brain, please. -_-
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I do beg your pardon. by
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Are you implying that a large chunk of Boarders, myself included, have something wrong with them?
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You do realize... by
on 2015-09-15 21:21:00 UTC
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... that you're being a bigot toward like half the Board, right?
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Actually, no... by
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You're all being bigoted towards me! You're all attacking me and my viewpoints as if I'm a horrible person. I'm starting to think that this Board is anti-Christian.
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We're not attacking you personally by
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You have stated a position, and we have argued against it. And look as a Christian myself, I do not think the board is remotely anti-Christian.
I think you take things too personally. Just because someone states a position that does not agree with your own does not mean we are attacking you personally. There are multiple ways to see different issues, we are just portraying an alternative position. -
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... you're being a bigot toward, what, 75% of us?
Including me. I have Asperger's.
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...It may be a good idea for you to stop talking. by
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Partial retraction by
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I know I said I wouldn't rebut, but did you read your source by
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Because that source says literally nothing about brain abnormalities, all it says is that there is a possible genetic cause for homosexuality. Genetic cause does not necessarily mean "abnormal"; in fact, that article reinforces that, gasp, homosexuality isn't a choice and isn't unnatural?
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Wait. Please clarify that? by
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I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I'm actually curious. Do you mean that it's okay for two people of the same gender or sex to be in love, as long as they don't have sex?
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Oh, what. by
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"I personally trust the recent scientific finds that say homosexuality is an abnormality in the brain."
Show me your sources. Obscure, never-heard-of-them research institutes are not allowed. - Here you go by on 2015-09-15 21:48:00 UTC Reply
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All I'm seeing is... by
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UmÂ… "partly genetic in origin" does not mean "abnormality." (nm) by
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In a similar vein... by
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A remark... by
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An addendum to this remark: by
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My religion has... by
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Nothing to do with who you are, what you wear, or decide you are.
What matters is I treat you right, as a person deserves to be treated.
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That analogy: by
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Someone show this post to Kim Davis. (nm) by
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I'm good with a lack of her presence. by
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Dunno about you.
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You know you have problems... by
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When Donald Trump calls you out on foolish behavior.
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He did?? Am I in the right universe?? (nm) by
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Yeah by
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I forget the exact quote, but it was along the lines of:
We're a nation of laws, she broke the law, and if she did not like the decision or did not want to issue the licenses there were better ways to do it, like doing her job and then protesting, or letting a subordinate do it. -
Also reposting this here by
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Not all Christians believe that homosexuality and same-sex marriage is wrong. Just because one group says something does not mean it represents the whole.
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I'm not sure whether I get you right by
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Twice no. by
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I would disagree somewhat by
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I'm afraid this doesn't hit the point by
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Not the way I see it by
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This was basically an individual breaking the law and getting punished for it. Just because one does not agree with a law does not mean they can choose not to follow it.
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The Kim Davis issue is... by
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In this case I agree by
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On the military bit... by
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That's the point I was making by
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It may well be different, but just because you go to war does not mean a soldier should be able to quit before the term is up because of a change of circumstances.
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Yes. This was elaboration not disagreement. (nm) by
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I know I was just further explaining. (nm) by
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Yes. This. Thank you for your words. by
on 2015-09-15 15:50:00 UTC
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Articulation is hard! You are good at it. Now I don't have to blather around trying to make my point because you did it so concisely :p
You also hear a lot of "god's law is of higher authority than the American legal system" (for the record. Darkbrother16, not accusing you of this necessarily, it's just an argument I see a lot of!) which just rubs me the wrong way every time. Not everyone is Christian, fsssss. -
May have typos btw, sorry, it is late & am I on mobile (nm) by
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What Phobos said, and also. by
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I am convinced that Trump, if he loses the primary, will pull a Theodore Roosevelt, and for the same reason – his ego can't take the party without him.
On Sanders . . .
The Democratic Party, a slim but definite majority, is made up of 40% Sanders supporters and 60% would-be Sanders supporters going "if he were only more popular, he'd have a chance, but I just can't risk such a far-out candidate." This is beginning to frustrate me. -
Agreed on Sanders (nm) by
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I disagree... by
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...about a Trump nomination being good for Dems. I think the best chance the Dems have is for Trump to lose the nomination and run as a 3rd party candidate. He will pull the extreme Right vote, leaving the Republicans with the center-Right and opening the door for the Dems no matter who has their nomination.
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Wait....what? by
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Trump's Not Necessarily a guaranteed loss by
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I'd just like to point out... by
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That crippling bureaucracy is by no means endemic to left-leaning governments; take Israel's for example. It's right-wing (Bibi + Bennett + Haredi parties can't lean any other way) and the bureaucracy is as bad as you can imagine.
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I'd go so far as to say... by
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Not saying it was by
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More so saying that what works for one context does not work for others.
Crippling Bureaucracy is basically a problem of Western Civilization, it exists here in the US, though not as bad. In retrospect that was not the best example, but I was again more getting at, Left does not necessarily mean good, Right does not necessarily mean bad, and more importantly just because Left Governments tend to work in Europe, does not by any stretch mean that they will work in the US. Different cultural contexts and all that. -
It's a shame I'll be gone during the primaries. by
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I really want to see how well he does in the end there and also hope that Trump doesn't happen. Good lord.
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They don't let you send votes in? (nm) by
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Talking about the media coverage. by
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I'll be missing it all.
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Yes, but can his successor stop the boats? =] (nm) by
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And now, some play-along political fun. by
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A bit late for this thing, but ... by
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It's still on the first page, so let's try it :
Economic Left/Right: -5.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59
Generic Boarder. They really need to add "neutral" answers, though. -
One last graph, for old time's sake. by
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Yet another regraph. by
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I always wanted to be a desert port by
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And apparently I'm almost the centre of the Board.
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I can live with this description now. by
on 2015-09-17 18:35:00 UTC
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Perhaps in time I will write about the fortress of the Vowel Overlord.
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Yay, I am also on the graph now! by
on 2015-09-17 17:31:00 UTC
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So we are all towns this time around instead of people? Interesting.
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Plortitics Recursive Fanfiction: Beyond the Western Bank by
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I guess I lean far more to the left than I expected... by
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Ummm... somewhere between Ghandi and Stalin? by
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My results were -4 Economic, 0.1 Social, which means... something. Probably.
There was a whole bunch of text along with the results, but I sort of got bored at that point.
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It means you're my buddy. (nm) by
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Excellent. Political analysis at a level I can understand :) (nm by
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Updated graph! by
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I wanna be on the graphs :P by
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(I hate surveys without a "Not sure/neutral" option.) by
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Also, according to the test, I'm at -5.75 economic and -3.13 social. Hello, fellow lower-left-wingers! *waves cheerfully*
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Agreed (nm) by
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Surprising approximately no oneÂ… by
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Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.9
I'm a socialist - honestly I usually go as far as neo-Marxist - who wants large corporations either tied down or disbanded and complete separation of church and state. Mostly because the countries where citizens, rather than corporations, ARE actually supported by tax money, it seems to work quite well. -
Let's see... by
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Economic Left/Right: -4.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
... I'm roughly Gandhi according to the example chart. -
My results... by
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Economic left/right: -7.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95
I was expecting smaller numbers (as in, larger negatives. I hate numbers.) -
Libertarian left by
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Economic -6.13
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Apparently IÂ’m Iximaz by
on 2015-09-15 12:47:00 UTC
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Moving right and down from last year’s -5.88 / -3.95, I got -5.63 and -5.18 this year.
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Protectors of the Political Compass (graph) by
on 2015-09-15 10:06:00 UTC
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So in one AU, I'm a drunken bum... by
on 2015-09-17 00:13:00 UTC
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Huh. by
on 2015-09-16 22:36:00 UTC
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I always thought I was Lawful, but apparently I'm TN. (-4.88 economic, -3.33 social).
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That got mixed up on my end by
on 2015-09-15 19:35:00 UTC
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I came down as -2.72 on the Libertarian/Authoritarian. But if you were using one of the Average responders which were in the lower-left quadrant, then it makes sense. I knew I was more Right leaning than the majority of the community.
Not sure I like the analogy that Right is evil though.
As for falling of the diagonal, for me it is not surprising at all, I am a social liberal, but an economic conservative. And the fact that I get considered "far-right" is also telling of the average of the community, because I am a centrist if anything. -
Left is also evil. by
on 2015-09-15 20:06:00 UTC
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Anywhere the colors get darker is evil. Only in Neutrality is there Good. Join us in Holy Neutralness.
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Though to be fair... by
on 2015-09-15 20:37:00 UTC
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PPC Neutrality is not actual neutral, which was part of the point of the exercise, which is why I trend so far right in comparison, when I am actually only just right of center.
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My first decree as King... by
on 2015-09-15 17:06:00 UTC
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I hereby make Iximaz the Queen of Love and Beauty!
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I am disappointed by
on 2015-09-15 16:51:00 UTC
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I like to think of myself as Lawful Evil. :P
Also, why does Des get to be king? I didn't vote for him.
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Of course you didn't. by
on 2015-09-15 17:02:00 UTC
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Voting is a Lawful action; he was elected by July, sonofheaven, and Pippa. Dark Brother voted against him.
His response, being of course Neutral himself, was 'meh'.
hS
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...Who's submitting ballots in my name again. by
on 2015-09-15 21:07:00 UTC
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Is it you, hS?
I'm pretty sure it's you.
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It's because some watery tart threw a sword at him. by
on 2015-09-15 16:57:00 UTC
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But that doesn't mean I get to go around saying I'm an emperor because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me!
-Iximaz, who likes to think she's a bit more Chaotic than that -
...General?! by
on 2015-09-15 14:25:00 UTC
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-Sailor July
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Yep. ^_^ by
on 2015-09-15 14:30:00 UTC
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Or, in full:
General JulyFlame of the Fleet Air Force (Special Space Forces Division).
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Because that makes so much sense in a medieval setting. (nm) by
on 2015-09-15 14:40:00 UTC
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Sure it does! by
on 2015-09-15 14:45:00 UTC
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There's lots of Air in the wide open Spaces of Polyticz. :D
To be honest, given that the other medieval setting has 'baron' as the highest military rank, maybe it's best to assume I just pick words out of a hat in that regard?
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I don't believe that. by
on 2015-09-15 14:47:00 UTC
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Am I the only Right-winger here?! (nm) by
on 2015-09-15 01:40:00 UTC
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You seem to be the only one whose scores are on the Right by
on 2015-09-15 01:50:00 UTC
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but you're not the only conservative on the Board, from what it seems here. Looks like, as always, it depends on the topic.
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I technically scored right of Center by
on 2015-09-15 03:50:00 UTC
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But only just.
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Oops. I must have forgot about that. by
on 2015-09-15 04:19:00 UTC
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But in my partial defense, you scored right of center economically, slightly left socially.
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That's very interesting... by
on 2015-09-15 01:52:00 UTC
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Does that make me special? Oh, my mommy always said I was a special little boy. *exaggeratedly giddy giggle*
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My Compass- Results and Opinions by
on 2015-09-15 01:39:00 UTC
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Ah, but in many ways... by
on 2015-09-15 01:58:00 UTC
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I see... by
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I'll toss mine in here though I don't like these tests by
on 2015-09-14 23:13:00 UTC
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They never quite line up with me. I do no think that four bubbles is enough to accurately describe my political belief system.
Economic: 2.75
Social: -2.72
To me it seems just a bit right of center. Another similar test I did come in at a notch right of center. But unsurprisingly, I probably come down as the farthest right leaning boarder. I largely expected that outcome. -
Some new numbers. by
on 2015-09-14 21:51:00 UTC
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This year, I got -6.13 Economic and -4.56 Social, as compared to last year's -5.25 Economic and -5.49 Social. And, just like last year, I'm a little iffy on the methodologies and definitions used in determining these numbers. But it's still interesting to see and compare.
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Yeah. by
on 2015-09-14 21:54:00 UTC
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It really folds everything down when it's really not as simple as what can be pinned on an axis, and it really could use some refining, overall.
Because while I'm arguably conservative, and haven't really changed so, it's harder to actually go into the how with something like this. -
My compass by
on 2015-09-14 20:50:00 UTC
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Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.36
That was a quite surprising result. I would not have expected to be categorized as on the political or economic Left. Then again, I'm near zero on the libertarian/authoritarian axis, so it could be that I'm a bit more free-thinking than one would expect when one speaks of topics other than the ones lumped as "social issues" here in the States. -
Interesting. by
on 2015-09-14 19:13:00 UTC
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My compass:
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85
Apparently I'm closest to Ghandi. Huh. -
My compass by
on 2015-09-14 17:31:00 UTC
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Looks like I fall at -5.63 Economics and -4.92 Social. Compare that to -7.00/-5.28 last year. I've shifted a fair bit on the Economic scale, not much on the Social.
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Not all too suprised. by
on 2015-09-14 16:53:00 UTC
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Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54
I do wish I had a "no real opinion one way or the other" option. There were a few questions that that would have been helpful. -
OK, so by
on 2015-09-14 15:50:00 UTC
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Last year, I was -4.00 economic, -3.75 social. Now I am -4.25 economic, -3.08 social. I tend to think that's within the standard deviation of the test (owing to choosing slightly different answers each time).
It also says something about that test — to wit, it's not very good in telling Israeli political opinions; it looks like it has a massive bias toward the left, because I count as very moderate centre-left, not 'left'. -
Yeah, it's weird. by
on 2015-09-14 16:02:00 UTC
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That's why I've been adjusting us around Pippa's Centrist, which gives this; you're right there on the Social centreline, a little left of centre.
Interesting that our two military types were in almost the same place last year, but have since moved apart. Quirky.
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But you forget! by
on 2015-09-14 16:05:00 UTC
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For Des it's mandatory. I joined up as a volunteer.
So it makes sense that there are changes thus. -
True. by
on 2015-09-14 16:08:00 UTC
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And there's also timeframes. It makes intuitive sense that someone who's just joined the military would swing to the Authoritarian end (due to the whole taking orders thing); someone who was already there last time - which I think Des was - won't show that swing, but might potentially start regressing to previous mindsets.
And so forth. I dunno, numbers are fun, graphs are funner.
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Hm... by
on 2015-09-14 17:09:00 UTC
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I know that my opinions drifted toward the authoritarian end of the scale after joining the army, but it's a) not too pronounced and b) not a result of army indoctrination; it had more to do with accessing a wider variety of news and information sources.
I have not detected any change on economic policy, however, nor have I detected any regression.
*shrugs*
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In which I surprise precisely nobody. by
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Economic: -7.38
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I found someone farther overall left-down than you. by
on 2015-09-14 22:18:00 UTC
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And they aren't fond of Russians.
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...Oh? And they would be, who? (nm) by
on 2015-09-14 22:28:00 UTC
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Hi, by
on 2015-09-14 22:34:00 UTC
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Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33
I am a social democrat and neutral on Russians. Not so neutral on the current Russian government. -
Well hi there, Comrade! =] by
on 2015-09-16 19:52:00 UTC
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Democratic socialist on my part, which is the same thing unless you're a sixty-seven-year-old retired teacher. As for the present Russian government, it's a kleptocracy run by an ex-KGB torturer. No reason to be neutral, especially since it wants me dead. =]
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Re: Well hi there, Comrade! =] by
on 2015-09-16 22:16:00 UTC
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I'm a sixty-seven year old retired teacher... or I have a master's degree in political science?
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Better dead then Red! by
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It's funny because I agree with various socialistic ideas. Just not as far as you do. -
I'll be here, with my socialized military medicine. by
on 2015-09-14 20:04:00 UTC
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Admittedly it gives aspirin for everything from headaches to spider bites, but still.
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And I'll have my free at point of service healthcare system. by
on 2015-09-14 20:56:00 UTC
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Hammered through the opposition of conservative doctors (who benefited hugely from the previous system) just after the War by Aneurin Bevan. Fun fact: Nye resigned from the Labour Party because the government of the day decided to dip into NHS funds to pay for rearmament. I like to think I'd do the same.
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Yep, that figures. ^_^ (Feat. current graph!) by
on 2015-09-14 15:28:00 UTC
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Honestly, considering I'm no longer a civilian... by
on 2015-09-14 15:47:00 UTC
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It really isn't that surprising. For me at least.
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Whoop. by
on 2015-09-14 14:59:00 UTC
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Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.15
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Interesting. by
on 2015-09-14 14:20:00 UTC
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-7.0 Economic
-4.92 Social
Stalin-like levels of collectivism tempered with Gandhi-ish levels of libertarianism. Fun for the whole family! -
All right, let's give it a go. by
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I'm Economic: -2.5
Social: 0.97
So, yes, technically Centrist, but still what you'd call Right. -
Aha! Useful data. by
on 2015-09-14 14:38:00 UTC
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I'm not so certain of that by
on 2015-09-14 23:17:00 UTC
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Because I classify myself as centrist as well, but adding that 2.5 would push me pretty far right, further than I classify myself.
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Don't take it too literally. by
on 2015-09-14 16:56:00 UTC
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If the scale goes from -10 to +10 then IMHO anything between -3.33... to +3.33... inclusive can count as Centrist. I'm happy with my result.
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I'm still Gandhi! by
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(At least, according to the demonstrative chart. :P)
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Wait a minute... by
on 2015-09-14 14:26:00 UTC
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They changed the examples from last year. I went from being the Dalai Lama to being Gandhi.
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For everyone playing along at home... by
on 2015-09-14 12:39:00 UTC
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Yes, this is a very good thing overall, and not just for the UK.
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Speaking as one of the British right-wing, by
on 2015-09-14 12:36:00 UTC
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I say wait until after Labour crashes and burns spectacularly in the next General Election before deciding who was wrong.
Still, you are right about one thing, though. It is hilarious how Labour's left-wing are so out of touch they actually think electing Corbyn would help the party! Don't you people have any clue about what attracts floating voters?
Oh, well. At least we won't have to worry about the threat f a Labour government for the foreseeable future. So I'm happy about that. -
Um... no. ^_^ by
on 2015-09-14 12:49:00 UTC
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Well, newspapers will print any controversial opinion by
on 2015-09-14 13:12:00 UTC
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if they think it will help sales (or website views nowadays). And pundits will give any controversial opinion, because they know it will be printed and get publicity. Don't take any of them seriously.
Anyway, sorry I misunderstood your post. I saw the Subject line, and thought you were personally addressing the UK Right on this board, so I took it rather personally.
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So what you mean is... by
on 2015-09-14 13:16:00 UTC
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Okay, there, cool it. by
on 2015-09-14 12:42:00 UTC
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That's going dangerously into territory that we don't condone on the board.
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For the record: by
on 2015-09-14 13:02:00 UTC
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That's true. by
on 2015-09-14 13:53:00 UTC
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I grew up in a very left-wing family in the eighties, and saw close-up and first hand how self-destructive the Left's self-absorbed idealism was. Meanwhile, out there on the news, Maggie was actually making a difference, getting things done, making things happen in the real world.
There was no contest. And even after all this time, I'd still rather be with the side that's going to get things done, rather than the one that makes an empty pointless display and achieves nothing. -
'Achieves nothing'? by
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How old do you think I am? by
on 2015-09-14 17:18:00 UTC
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The following, courtesy of the Daily Mash, is relevant: by
on 2015-09-14 17:59:00 UTC
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Find it here.
I shan't say anything more, because you're doubtless as intransigent on this stuff as I am and frankly it's not worth the effort. -
Don't see how it's relevant. by
on 2015-09-14 18:57:00 UTC
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I have no problem with strikes - provided they're properly and accountably organised and with a specific, legitimate goal. Very different from the meaningless, self-indulgent, unaccountable action I was talking about.
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And hS's initial post was acceptable? by
on 2015-09-14 12:50:00 UTC
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He made an unprovoked attack saying everyone who disagreed with him was "wrong".
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News for you. I'm conservative. by
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Uh, no I didn't. by
on 2015-09-14 12:54:00 UTC
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I understand. by
on 2015-09-14 13:18:00 UTC
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Like I said, I thought your post was addressed to people on this board, so I took it more personally than I should've done.
Sorry for my stupid misunderstanding, and any upset it's caused anyone.